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		<title>Gruber&#8217;s bottom-posting scripts for Mail.app</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/07/18/grubers-bottom-posting-scripts-for-mailapp/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Few things get the juices flowing faster than the top- vs. bottom-posting debate. What seems natural to one user is an abomination to another; ideology does war with utility and efficiency; anathemas and personal abuse fly faster than they did at the Council of Chalcedon (451 CE) (Wikpedia ). It can lead to guilt trips. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/upside_down_phone.jpg" alt="Upside Down Phone"  align="right" border="0" hspace="10" vspace="0" height="125" width="100"/>Few things get the juices flowing faster than the top- vs. bottom-posting debate. </p>
<p>What seems natural to one user is an abomination to another; ideology does war with utility and efficiency; anathemas and personal abuse fly faster than they did at the Council of Chalcedon (451 CE) (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Chalcedon" title="Council of Chalcedon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia">Wikpedia</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/>).</p>
<p>It can lead to <a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/04/20/the-sorrows-of-top-posting-despite-oneself/" title="The Sorrow of top-posting despite oneself">guilt trips</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty relaxed about it personally (although see <a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/10/03/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot-or-head-one-round-in-the-bottom-vs-top-posting-war/" title="Hawk Wings  &raquo; Blog Archive   &raquo; Shooting yourself in the foot (or head): One round in the bottom- vs. top-posting war">an earlier attempt to develop a new metaphor</a> in defence of top-posting).</p>
<p>John Gruber is not so relaxed.  He calls top-posting &#8220;an uncouth and illiterate practice&#8221;.</p>
<p>And he <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2007/07/non_top_posting_scripts" title="Daring Fireball: Non-Top-Posting Reply Scripts for Apple Mail">has written a script</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> that will over-ride Mail&#8217;s default top-posting behaviour.</p>
<p>Select an email in Mail&#8217;s message viewer, activate the script and Mail will produce a reply, quoting the text of the email and placing the cursor at the bottom ready for your couth and literate response.</p>
<p>Block a selection of text in the preview pane, and only that text appears in the reply. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t work well with signatures generated by Mail itself, placing the cursor after the signature, although as John points out, <a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/05/23/textexpander-textpander-makes-good/" title="Hawk Wings  &raquo; Blog Archive   &raquo; TextExpander: Textpander makes good">Textexpander</a> is a smarter, application-independent solution to signatures anyway.</p>
<p>While we are on the topic: You can play around a bit with <a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/09/28/apple-mail-hacking-the-reply-string/" title="Hawk Wings  &raquo; Blog Archive   &raquo; Apple Mail: &#8220;Hacking&#8221; the reply string">the placement and format of the reply string</a> in Mail.app:</p>
<div align=center><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/pirate_reply1.jpg" alt="Pirate Reply" height="84" width="426"/></div>
<p>Due to his new iPhone, John is currently cranking out applescripts for Mail. See also his quick and dirty <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2007/07/simple_inbox_sweeper">&#8220;Inbox to Archive sweep&#8221; script</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/>.  <tags>top posting, bottom posting, anathema, chalcedon, mail.app, apple mail, replying, applescript, productivity</tags><strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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<li><a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/04/20/the-sorrows-of-top-posting-despite-oneself/" rel="bookmark" title="20 April 2006, 10:29 am">The sorrows of top-posting despite oneself</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/12/13/an-ode-to-bottom-posting/" rel="bookmark" title="13 December 2005, 11:02 am">An ode to bottom-posting</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/12/14/joe-kissell-on-top-vs-bottom-posting/" rel="bookmark" title="14 December 2005, 10:16 am">Joe Kissell on top- vs bottom-posting</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/10/03/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot-or-head-one-round-in-the-bottom-vs-top-posting-war/" rel="bookmark" title="3 October 2005, 9:47 pm">Shooting yourself in the foot (or head): <br />One round in the bottom- vs. top-posting war</a></li>
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		<title>MailRecent updated and plugged at Macworld</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/02/02/mailrecent-updated-and-plugged-at-macworld/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg Welch has updated MailRecent , his quick-filing plugin for Mail.app. The updated version now distinguishes duplicate mailbox names by adding the account to which they belong. It is also smarter about dealing with people who try to use it with the number of recent items to display (you can set this in the Appearances [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/mailrecent.jpg" alt="Mailrecent"  align="right" border="0" hspace="10" vspace="0" height="102" width="100"/>Greg Welch <a href="http://www.cs.unc.edu/~welch/MailRecent/">has updated MailRecent</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/>, his quick-filing plugin for Mail.app.</p>
<p>The updated version now distinguishes duplicate mailbox names by adding the account to which they belong.</p>
<p>It is also smarter about dealing with people who try to use it with the number of recent items to display (you can set this in the Appearances pane of System Preferences) set to zero.</p>
<p>It is now a kick-ass, error-free plugin for people who like to file their messages quickly in this way.</p>
<p>At the same time, Dan Frakes at Macworld <a href="http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/macgems/2007/01/mailplugins/index.php">has written up a nice review</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> of both Greg&#8217;s Mail plugins &#8212; MailRecent and <a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/04/15/mailfollowup-a-plugin-for-afterthoughts/">MailFollowup</a> &#8212; for his MacGems column.</p>
<p>He covers them in praise,</p>
<blockquote><p>MailFollowup and MailRecent are sure to be welcome by heavy users of Mail. And the best thing about them is that theyâ€™re so well integrated into Mail that they seem as if theyâ€™ve been part of the app from the beginning. (And some would argue that they very well should have been.)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>MailFollowup 1.0.2: bugfixes, universal</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/07/03/mailfollowup-102-bugfixes/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[MailFollowup is a Mail.app plugin that allows you to â€œfollow upâ€ or send subsequent thoughts to all the recipients of an email more easily and naturally. The developer Greg Welch has released an updated version that fixes a small problem in the Contextual menu. Since I posted about this plugin in April, it has also been recompiled as a universal binary and plays better with Mail Act-on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/wp-images/mailfollowup-1.jpg" height="98" width="100" border="0" align="right" hspace="10" vspace="0" alt="mailfollowup" title="mailfollowup" /><a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/04/15/mailfollowup-a-plugin-for-afterthoughts/">MailFollowup</a> is a Mail.app plugin that allows you to â€œfollow upâ€ or send subsequent thoughts to all the recipients of an email more easily and naturally.</p>
<p>It adds a â€œFollowupâ€ commands to Apple Mailâ€™s Message and Contextual Menus, so that the To, Cc: and Bcc: addresses appear in the reply exactly as they appeared in the original message:</p>
<div align="center"><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/wp-images/screenshot-1.jpg" height="157" width="414" border="0" hspace="0" vspace="10" alt="screenshot" title="screenshot" /></div>
<p>The developer Greg Welch has released an updated version that fixes a small problem in the Contextual menu. </p>
<p>Since I posted about this plugin in April, it has also been recompiled as a universal binary and plays better with Mail Act-on.</p>
<p>MailFollowup is freeware and available from <a href="http://www.cs.unc.edu/~welch/MailFollowup/">Greg&#8217;s web site</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/>.<tags>plugins, mail.app, apple mail, conversations, email, replying</tags></p>
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		<title>MailFollowup: A plugin for afterthoughts</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/04/15/mailfollowup-a-plugin-for-afterthoughts/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg Welch, an Associate Professor in Computer Science at UNC, Chapel Hill, has written a nifty plugin for Mail.app that allows you to &#8220;follow up&#8221; or send subsequent thoughts to all the recipients of an email more easily and naturally. He found that he often wanted to send an afterthought or important observation to an [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/wp-images/mailfollowup.jpg" height="98" width="100" border="0" align="right" hspace="10" vspace="0" alt="mailfollowup" title="mailfollowup" />Greg Welch, an Associate Professor in Computer Science at UNC, Chapel Hill, has written a nifty plugin for Mail.app that allows you to &#8220;follow up&#8221; or send subsequent thoughts to all the recipients of an email more easily and naturally.</p>
<p>He found that he often wanted to send an afterthought or important observation to an email after his initial reply. Mail&#8217;s default &#8220;Reply All&#8221; function only places only the original sender&#8217;s email address into the To: field, skewing the emphasis in a group conversation.</p>
<p>His plugin adds a &#8220;Followup&#8221; commands to Apple Mail&#8217;s Message and Contextual Menus, so that the To, Cc: and Bcc: addresses appear in the reply exactly as they appeared in the original message:</p>
<div align="center"><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/wp-images/mailfollowup_menu.jpg" height="152" width="430" border="0" hspace="0" vspace="5" alt="mailfollowup_menu" title="mailfollowup_menu" /></div>
<p>Scott Morrison, the developer of Mail Act-on and MailTags, also contributed some code and advice to the project.</p>
<p>Installation instructions and the offer of email support for the plugin can be found on <a href="http://www.cs.unc.edu/~welch/MailFollowup/">Greg&#8217;s web site</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> as can the plugin itself.<tags>replying, afterthoughts, follow up, plugin, mail.app, apple mail</tags><strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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