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		<title>John Gruber, Mark Pilgrim, Mail.app and openness</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Gruber and Mark Pilgrim are having a very public conversation about Apple, proprietary and open formats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/wp-images/applelogogrey100px-3.jpg" height="121" width="100" border="0" align="right" hspace="10" vspace="0" alt="applelogogrey100px" title="applelogogrey100px" />John Gruber and Mark Pilgrim are having a very public and very excellent conversation about Apple and file formats, proprietary and open. </p>
<p>Mark Pilgrim <a href="http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/06/02/when-the-bough-breaks">announced</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> that he was switching from OS X to Ubuntu, citing the ever-advancing proprietary creep in Apple as the main reason for his switch. Apple &#8220;just doesn&#8217;t get it&#8221; when it comes to open file formats.</p>
<p>Uproar. Not least because of Pilgrim&#8217;s reputation as a long-standing Mac guru. </p>
<p>John Gruber <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2006/06/and_oranges">responded</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> to the post, arguing that &#8220;Apple gets it / Apple doesn&#8217;t get it&#8221; is too crude a view:</p>
<blockquote><p>The question isnâ€™t â€œDoes Apple get it?â€, but â€œDoes Apple get it enough?â€ &#8230;. [W]hile it is easy to find ways to complain that Apple is not open enough â€” under-documented and undocumented security updates and system revisions, under-documented and undocumented file formats â€” it would be hard to argue with the premise that Apple today is more open than it has ever been before. (Exhibit A: the Web Kit project.)</p>
<p>But there are things that could be better, should be better, but arenâ€™t, and itâ€™s hard to ascribe these policies to anything other than management that is, at best, indifferent to issues related to openness.</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting as this all is (and there is a lot more of it&#8212;you should read the posts on both sites), I am posting this because it turns out that Mail.app played a crucial role in Pilgrim&#8217;s decision to switch.</p>
<p>In his response to John&#8217;s response, Mark <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2006/06/and_oranges">writes</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> that Mail 2.0 finally forced his decision to switch:</p>
<blockquote><p>And then came Tiger, and Mail.app 2.0. In Mac OS X 10.4, Apple deliberately changed Mail.app to use their proprietary .emlx data format, apparently to work around the limitations of Spotlight. Mail.app 2.0 helpfully auto-converted all my wonderful mbox files into Appleâ€™s shitty undocumented format. Iâ€™m now in the process of undoing the damage&#8230;.</p>
<p>This was really the last straw for me. I was already feeling vaguely dissatisfied with Apple; now I feel actively betrayed. By the time I even realized what had happened (a year after buying OS X 10.4), it was too late. Now Iâ€™m forced to migrate all my mail yet again from yet another proprietary format, and the best documentation Iâ€™ve found so far is on LiveJournal. Jesus H. Christ, somebody deserves to be fired for that.</p></blockquote>
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