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		<title>Gruberized, tribal, righteous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My Daring Fireball t-shirts arrived today. You can choose a subscription to John Gruber&#8217;s site which includes a t-shirt (or two). That way you not only get the pleasure of supporting one of the finest independent voices on Mac matters, you get to replace your rattiest t-shirt with something much more tasteful. Of course, I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img align="right" hspace="10" vspace="0"src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/logo_daringfireball.png" alt="logo_daringfireball" height="120" width="100" />My <a href="http://www.daringfireball.net/">Daring Fireball</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> t-shirts arrived today.</p>
<p>You can choose a subscription to John Gruber&#8217;s site which includes a t-shirt (or two). That way you not only get the pleasure of supporting one of the finest independent voices on Mac matters, you get to replace your rattiest t-shirt with something much more tasteful.</p>
<p>Of course, I put mine on right away.  </p>
<p>I started research for a freelance assignment on Vista today, so I felt a need for the extra protection:</p>
<div align=center><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/gruberized.jpg" alt="gruberized" height="338" width="450" /></div>
<p>This is actually a photo of me on the couch, <em>thinking</em> about starting the research. (You can see other, more ruggedly handsome people modelling their DF t-shirts <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/willpate/9622817/">here</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> and <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wmf/111813688/">here</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> and <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/polytropia/1734673/">here</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> and <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/blankbaby/183631137/">here</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/>)</p>
<p>A paying membership of Daring Fireball scores you a full-content RSS feed for the site and a feed for Gruber&#8217;s Linked List, a daily list of links and blurbs.</p>
<p>Why is it worth it?  For two reasons at least.  First, the Linked List is astute and interesting.  There are plenty of sites that are interesting but not astute, and some that are astute but not interesting. This list is both. I always start my daily NetNewsWire workout there.  </p>
<p>Secondly, the longer articles are as well-written as they are informative.  I rarely leave a piece John has written without a better understanding of how Mac OS X works (or <em>should</em> work!). </p>
<p>I get all of this for less money than my wife hands over for her PC&#8217;s antivirus subscription. It&#8217;s money very well spent.</p>
<p>You should <a href="http://daringfireball.net/members/">think about subscribing too</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/>. <tags>daring fireball, john gruber, independent Mac commentary, tshirts, apple, blogs, not apple mail</tags><strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>John Gruber, Mark Pilgrim, Mail.app and openness</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Gruber and Mark Pilgrim are having a very public conversation about Apple, proprietary and open formats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/wp-images/applelogogrey100px-3.jpg" height="121" width="100" border="0" align="right" hspace="10" vspace="0" alt="applelogogrey100px" title="applelogogrey100px" />John Gruber and Mark Pilgrim are having a very public and very excellent conversation about Apple and file formats, proprietary and open. </p>
<p>Mark Pilgrim <a href="http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/06/02/when-the-bough-breaks">announced</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> that he was switching from OS X to Ubuntu, citing the ever-advancing proprietary creep in Apple as the main reason for his switch. Apple &#8220;just doesn&#8217;t get it&#8221; when it comes to open file formats.</p>
<p>Uproar. Not least because of Pilgrim&#8217;s reputation as a long-standing Mac guru. </p>
<p>John Gruber <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2006/06/and_oranges">responded</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> to the post, arguing that &#8220;Apple gets it / Apple doesn&#8217;t get it&#8221; is too crude a view:</p>
<blockquote><p>The question isnâ€™t â€œDoes Apple get it?â€, but â€œDoes Apple get it enough?â€ &#8230;. [W]hile it is easy to find ways to complain that Apple is not open enough â€” under-documented and undocumented security updates and system revisions, under-documented and undocumented file formats â€” it would be hard to argue with the premise that Apple today is more open than it has ever been before. (Exhibit A: the Web Kit project.)</p>
<p>But there are things that could be better, should be better, but arenâ€™t, and itâ€™s hard to ascribe these policies to anything other than management that is, at best, indifferent to issues related to openness.</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting as this all is (and there is a lot more of it&#8212;you should read the posts on both sites), I am posting this because it turns out that Mail.app played a crucial role in Pilgrim&#8217;s decision to switch.</p>
<p>In his response to John&#8217;s response, Mark <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2006/06/and_oranges">writes</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> that Mail 2.0 finally forced his decision to switch:</p>
<blockquote><p>And then came Tiger, and Mail.app 2.0. In Mac OS X 10.4, Apple deliberately changed Mail.app to use their proprietary .emlx data format, apparently to work around the limitations of Spotlight. Mail.app 2.0 helpfully auto-converted all my wonderful mbox files into Appleâ€™s shitty undocumented format. Iâ€™m now in the process of undoing the damage&#8230;.</p>
<p>This was really the last straw for me. I was already feeling vaguely dissatisfied with Apple; now I feel actively betrayed. By the time I even realized what had happened (a year after buying OS X 10.4), it was too late. Now Iâ€™m forced to migrate all my mail yet again from yet another proprietary format, and the best documentation Iâ€™ve found so far is on LiveJournal. Jesus H. Christ, somebody deserves to be fired for that.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>John Gruber to go pro or quit or something</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/04/19/john-gruber-to-go-pro-or-quit-or-something/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Gruber of Daring Fireball fame has an announcement up his sleeve.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/wp-images/logo-daringfireball.png" height="120" width="100" border="0" align="right" hspace="10" vspace="0" alt="logo-daringfireball" title="logo-daringfireball" />John Gruber of Daring Fireball fame has an announcement up his sleeve.</p>
<p>Responding to criticism that he doesn&#8217;t blog often enough, <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/new_tshirts">he says</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/>, &#8220;Iâ€™ll be announcing the fix for that one later today.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess this means we will read more of John&#8217;s writing and that can only be a good thing.</p>
<p>Half the time I don&#8217;t understand what he is writing, but even then it is still good. He probably deserves his reputation as the most influential individual Mac blogger.</p>
<p>And he is not a stuck-up wiener either. Which is refreshing. </p>
<p>When an unknown Australian approached him out of the blue asking for an interview on what he thinks of Mail.app, he cheerfully agreed. </p>
<p>He sent in <a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/02/16/talking-mailapp-john-gruber/">a great piece on Mail</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> and what&#8217;s good and bad about it. He threw in some free advice too on how blogs should be formatted, which has made Hawk Wings nicer to look at and easier to read.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t beat that. Intelligent, witty <em>and</em> a gentleman.</p>
<p>I imagine that&#8217;s enough adulation now. Keep your eyes on <a href="http://daringfireball.net/">Daring Fireball</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> and enjoy with me more Gruber more often (I hope).</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE:</strong> <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/initiative">John Gruber quits job, goes full-time on Daring Fireball</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/>.<tags>John Gruber, Daring Fireball, blogging, Mac commentary, t-shirts, gentleman of the blogosphere</tags><strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Talking Mail.app: John Gruber</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Gruber is the author of Daring Fireball. His primary computer is a 15-inch PowerBook G4 named Joker. HW: How long have you been using Mail.app? What other clients have you used (and why did you stop)? JG: I&#8217;ve only been using Mail regularly since early September 2005, when we began eating our own dog [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/wp-content/wp-images/logo-daringfireball.png" border="0" align="right" hspace="10" vspace="5" alt="Daring Fireball" title="Daring Fireball" /><!-- google_ad_section_start -->John Gruber is the author of <a href="http://daringfireball.net/">Daring Fireball</a>.  His primary computer is a <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2005/11/full_metal_jacket">15-inch PowerBook G4 named Joker</a>.</p>
<p><strong>HW:</strong> How long have you been using Mail.app? What other clients have you used (and why did you stop)?</p>
<p><strong>JG:</strong> I&#8217;ve only been using Mail regularly since early September 2005, when we began eating our own dog food and switched our mail server at <a href="http://joyent.com/">Joyent</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> (the company I work for) to our own product, which supports IMAP but not POP.</p>
<p>I use Mail only to access my Joyent email account. I use <a href="http://www.barebones.com/products/mailsmith/index.shtml">Mailsmith</a> <img src="http://www.hawkwings.net/images/extlink.jpg"/> to access all my other email, and have used it since version 1.0 in 1998. I&#8217;d still be using Mailsmith for my Joyent email if it weren&#8217;t for the fact that Mailsmith only supports POP.</p>
<p>(To be clear: I wholeheartedly endorse our decision at Joyent to only support IMAP clients.)</p>
<p>Also, you don&#8217;t want to get me started on <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2003/06/you_have_new_mail">calling Apple Mail &#8220;Mail.app&#8221;</a>. </p>
<p><strong>HW:</strong> What plugins and extensions do you use to make your email experience better?</p>
<p><strong>JG:</strong> None.</p>
<p><strong>HW:</strong> What&#8217;s your favourite thing about Apple Mail?</p>
<p><strong>JG:</strong> The way it allows you to paste images inline within plain text messages.</p>
<p><strong>HW:</strong> What&#8217;s your pet hate about Apple Mail?</p>
<p><strong>JG:</strong> When it comes to writing, its mail composition environment is clumsy and primitive.</p>
<p><strong>HW:</strong> If you could tell the Apple Mail development team one thing, what would it be?</p>
<p><strong>JG:</strong> That the way Mail attempts to handle quoted passages in replies (in plain text messages) is cute if you want to be a top-poster who quotes the entire message you&#8217;re replying to, but frustrating and annoying if you want to do the right thing.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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<p><i>You can read other interviews with developers and Mac identities talking about their Mail.app experiences by following <a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/index.php?tag=talking_mail.app">this tag cloud link</a>.</i><tags>Talking Mail.app, likes, dislikes, mail.app, apple mail, John Gruber, Mailsmith</tags><strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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