Posts Tagged ‘bottom-posting’

Bottom posters rejoice! QuoteFix plugin is here

Tuesday, November 17th, 2009

Dinosaur 120pxNothing raises the temperature among email aficionados like the debate over top-posting and bottom-posting in replies.

I have my own barbaric views on this topic.

QuoteFix is a plugin for mail.app that answers every bottom-poster’s heart-felt cry.

When installed, it places the cursor below the original message, or below the selection if you highlighted some part of the message before hitting the reply button.

And it does it well:

Quote Fixin Action

It also claims to remove the signature from the original message and to remove unnecessary empty lines from the original message.

I have found performance more patchy on these two fronts, but the plugin is still in active beta development, so it’s unreasonable to expect too much.

If bottom posting is your thing and you use mail.app, you will want to test it for yourself.

Get the QuoteFix plugin and read the installation instructions on its Google Code page.

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Gruber’s bottom-posting scripts for Mail.app

Wednesday, July 18th, 2007

Upside Down PhoneFew things get the juices flowing faster than the top- vs. bottom-posting debate.

What seems natural to one user is an abomination to another; ideology does war with utility and efficiency; anathemas and personal abuse fly faster than they did at the Council of Chalcedon (451 CE) (Wikpedia ).

It can lead to guilt trips.

I’m pretty relaxed about it personally (although see an earlier attempt to develop a new metaphor in defence of top-posting).

John Gruber is not so relaxed. He calls top-posting “an uncouth and illiterate practice”.

And he has written a script that will over-ride Mail’s default top-posting behaviour.

Select an email in Mail’s message viewer, activate the script and Mail will produce a reply, quoting the text of the email and placing the cursor at the bottom ready for your couth and literate response.

Block a selection of text in the preview pane, and only that text appears in the reply.

It doesn’t work well with signatures generated by Mail itself, placing the cursor after the signature, although as John points out, Textexpander is a smarter, application-independent solution to signatures anyway.

While we are on the topic: You can play around a bit with the placement and format of the reply string in Mail.app:

Pirate Reply

Due to his new iPhone, John is currently cranking out applescripts for Mail. See also his quick and dirty “Inbox to Archive sweep” script .

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The sorrows of top-posting despite oneself

Thursday, April 20th, 2006

guiltDavid Heinemeier at Signal vs. Noise posts an extended apology about his ever-encroaching top-posting habits.

As Hawk Wings readers know, I am a top-poster—proud, unrepentant, barbaric—so I read with interest his struggle between tradition (bottom-posting) and what comes naturally in many email clients (top-posting). Perhaps you will too.

Also interesting was the suggestion in the comments that “the stigma of top posting seems to be an artifact of newsgroups”.

Usenet continues to torture people with “posting guilt” long after its dominance on the Internet has faded.

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An ode to bottom-posting

Tuesday, December 13th, 2005

I think that bottom-posting is an odd convention that has passed its use-by date.

But it seems that not everyone agrees with me ;-)

TonyAndrewMeyer presents an impassioned – and very impressive – ode to bottom-posting as the embodiment of all that is noble, true, good and excellent in email communication.

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Shooting yourself in the foot (or head):
One round in the bottom- vs. top-posting war

Monday, October 3rd, 2005

First, there is no end to the debate on top-posting vs. bottom-posting in this life and, possibly, in the next. I understand that.

Secondly, I should disclose that I am a top-poster.

Thirdly, the obvious pathos of the message notwithstanding, I have never seen a more perfect, self-contained demonstration of the failings of bottom-posting than the following, which appeared on a mailing list ten days ago:

selfdefeatingbottomposting

When it gets past the “Bottom-posting is better”, “No, it isn’t!”, “Yes, it is!”, “No it isn’t!!” stage, bottom posters produce three arguments to defend their practice, arguments that are outlined after the jump.

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