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	<title>Comments on: Mail.app&#8217;s disappearing POP mail trick</title>
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		<title>By: Buzz Lightyear</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2010/07/07/mail-apps-disappearing-pop-mail-trick/comment-page-1/#comment-332658</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz Lightyear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben...I&#039;ve looked. Being &quot;not free&quot; is not a deterrent for me but most of the field I&#039;ve checked so far isn&#039;t worth paying for.  The closest I&#039;ve found that I like is GyazMail but it has some glaring feature holes like handling HTML/RTF signatures (legally required full disclaimer where I work) and RTF editting (seems to default to plain text unless you are replying to an RTF or HTML mail).

You could argue that HTML and RTF have no place in email and I&#039;d agree but for where I work it is the only choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben&#8230;I&#8217;ve looked. Being &#8220;not free&#8221; is not a deterrent for me but most of the field I&#8217;ve checked so far isn&#8217;t worth paying for.  The closest I&#8217;ve found that I like is GyazMail but it has some glaring feature holes like handling HTML/RTF signatures (legally required full disclaimer where I work) and RTF editting (seems to default to plain text unless you are replying to an RTF or HTML mail).</p>
<p>You could argue that HTML and RTF have no place in email and I&#8217;d agree but for where I work it is the only choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Crawford</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2010/07/07/mail-apps-disappearing-pop-mail-trick/comment-page-1/#comment-332621</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think an “archive” button would be useful but still doesn’t allow one to just keep the messages in the Inbox. Why should deleting a POP account imply that the messages should be archived?&quot;

I don&#039;t disagree. So the archive button, transfers the messages to a different place: On My Mac/Inbox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think an “archive” button would be useful but still doesn’t allow one to just keep the messages in the Inbox. Why should deleting a POP account imply that the messages should be archived?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree. So the archive button, transfers the messages to a different place: On My Mac/Inbox.</p>
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		<title>By: David Buxton</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2010/07/07/mail-apps-disappearing-pop-mail-trick/comment-page-1/#comment-332617</link>
		<dc:creator>David Buxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think an &quot;archive&quot; button would be useful but still doesn&#039;t allow one to just keep the messages in the Inbox. Why should deleting a POP account imply that the messages should be archived?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think an &#8220;archive&#8221; button would be useful but still doesn&#8217;t allow one to just keep the messages in the Inbox. Why should deleting a POP account imply that the messages should be archived?</p>
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		<title>By: Reliably Broken &#187; More mail bombs</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2010/07/07/mail-apps-disappearing-pop-mail-trick/comment-page-1/#comment-332616</link>
		<dc:creator>Reliably Broken &#187; More mail bombs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gaden over on Hawk Wings doesn&#8217;t agree that Mail.app&#8217;s behaviour regarding deleting POP accounts is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Gaden</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2010/07/07/mail-apps-disappearing-pop-mail-trick/comment-page-1/#comment-332606</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 00:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to all who took the trouble to post their views.  

I am convinced by those who suggest the addition of another button to the dialog.  

Users should be presented with two buttons — &quot;Archive&quot; or &quot;Delete&quot; — and be forced to make a choice in order to progress.

This seems very sensible, now that I think about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all who took the trouble to post their views.  </p>
<p>I am convinced by those who suggest the addition of another button to the dialog.  </p>
<p>Users should be presented with two buttons — &#8220;Archive&#8221; or &#8220;Delete&#8221; — and be forced to make a choice in order to progress.</p>
<p>This seems very sensible, now that I think about it!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 23:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are other email clients for Mac besides Mail and Thunderbird. They&#039;re just not free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are other email clients for Mac besides Mail and Thunderbird. They&#8217;re just not free.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Lightyear</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2010/07/07/mail-apps-disappearing-pop-mail-trick/comment-page-1/#comment-332578</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz Lightyear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Backup isn&#039;t the point.  The point is that by deleting a POP account Mail.app deletes the email associated with it.  It either should give users the opportunity to save those messages if they wish and not make a very large assumption.  Yes, yes if you use Time Machine or another method you can recover the email but why should you have to?  It is poor design.

I really wish there was a better email client for Mac than Mail.app.  One that handled IMAP gracefully and whose filter function was able to handle something like &quot;copy message to mailbox A and then move the message to mailbox B&quot;.  Or be able to automatically filter other IMAP mailboxes other than inbox for those of us using procmail to do some pre-sorting.  Alas, Mail.app is the only thing going other than Thunderbird and Thunderbird has a crap UI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Backup isn&#8217;t the point.  The point is that by deleting a POP account Mail.app deletes the email associated with it.  It either should give users the opportunity to save those messages if they wish and not make a very large assumption.  Yes, yes if you use Time Machine or another method you can recover the email but why should you have to?  It is poor design.</p>
<p>I really wish there was a better email client for Mac than Mail.app.  One that handled IMAP gracefully and whose filter function was able to handle something like &#8220;copy message to mailbox A and then move the message to mailbox B&#8221;.  Or be able to automatically filter other IMAP mailboxes other than inbox for those of us using procmail to do some pre-sorting.  Alas, Mail.app is the only thing going other than Thunderbird and Thunderbird has a crap UI.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hallock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Hallock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way…
&lt;blockquote&gt;When you think of “an email account”, do you think of just the settings, or the mailboxes and email in that account as well?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think this depends entirely on which model you are used to. For users that have only ever had POP accounts, and have never gotten used to the idea that their mail “lives” on the server, I think it really is going to be the former. Their e-mail is on their computer. The account is how they get new mail. Ben is right to mention the “post office” analogy of POP — if you have a PO box, and you shut it down, do you expect Postal Service employees to come into your house and shred your old mail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way…</p>
<blockquote><p>When you think of “an email account”, do you think of just the settings, or the mailboxes and email in that account as well?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this depends entirely on which model you are used to. For users that have only ever had POP accounts, and have never gotten used to the idea that their mail “lives” on the server, I think it really is going to be the former. Their e-mail is on their computer. The account is how they get new mail. Ben is right to mention the “post office” analogy of POP — if you have a PO box, and you shut it down, do you expect Postal Service employees to come into your house and shred your old mail?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hallock</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2010/07/07/mail-apps-disappearing-pop-mail-trick/comment-page-1/#comment-332554</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Hallock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t used POP in years, so I didn&#039;t know about this, but I do think it&#039;s fundamentally broken  and Apple should fix it. The basic model of POP is that it functions only as a delivery method. Once the messages reach your computer, they are local messages and should be treated as such. 

This is a recipe for massive and destructive data loss. Yes, users should protect against data loss by backup, but that doesn&#039;t mean Apple should be laying mines for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t used POP in years, so I didn&#8217;t know about this, but I do think it&#8217;s fundamentally broken  and Apple should fix it. The basic model of POP is that it functions only as a delivery method. Once the messages reach your computer, they are local messages and should be treated as such. </p>
<p>This is a recipe for massive and destructive data loss. Yes, users should protect against data loss by backup, but that doesn&#8217;t mean Apple should be laying mines for them.</p>
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		<title>By: adam807</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam807</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presumably if you&#039;re deleting an account you&#039;re replacing it with a new one, no?  So add the new one first and drag the messages you want to save to it. Problem solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presumably if you&#8217;re deleting an account you&#8217;re replacing it with a new one, no?  So add the new one first and drag the messages you want to save to it. Problem solved.</p>
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