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		<title>By: Sigurdur Armannsson</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/12/05/leopard-mails-drag-n-drop-double-act/comment-page-1/#comment-327261</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigurdur Armannsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See if you get any different working if you set your mails to be Rich Text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See if you get any different working if you set your mails to be Rich Text.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/12/05/leopard-mails-drag-n-drop-double-act/comment-page-1/#comment-326910</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just upgraded to OS X 10.5.2, not via the software update, but via the recommended standalone combo updater (safe boot and so on, there was a howto on the german Macnews site). And... the problem still persists! When I drag a file onto the Mail icon, I get two mail windows again with the attachment in the latter (upper, newer) window. I didn&#039;t try to recreate all the errors descripted above, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just upgraded to OS X 10.5.2, not via the software update, but via the recommended standalone combo updater (safe boot and so on, there was a howto on the german Macnews site). And&#8230; the problem still persists! When I drag a file onto the Mail icon, I get two mail windows again with the attachment in the latter (upper, newer) window. I didn&#8217;t try to recreate all the errors descripted above, though.</p>
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		<title>By: tripleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>tripleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem is similar but not quite what people are here talkiing about.

I don&#039;t have two new-message windows pop open, but after I&#039;ve sent my message (created by dropping attachment into dock icon) I notice there&#039;s still one sitting in my drafts folder. What strange about it is that if I&#039;ve changed the subject line, then there are two messages in the drafts folder - one with the old subject line, one with the new. I just delete them and they go away.

Noticed that behavior last night at home connecting to work&#039;s IMAP server but not today from work. My home and work use different ISPs (one cable, one DSL) so I&#039;m not sure if that&#039;s a factor.

On the plus side they fixed the bug where, if you grabbed an attachment from a windows SMB share and dragged it directly to the dock icon and then try to send the message, you would get an error saying that the message couldn&#039;t be sent using the selected server. I would have to drag it to my desktop and then to the dock icon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem is similar but not quite what people are here talkiing about.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have two new-message windows pop open, but after I&#8217;ve sent my message (created by dropping attachment into dock icon) I notice there&#8217;s still one sitting in my drafts folder. What strange about it is that if I&#8217;ve changed the subject line, then there are two messages in the drafts folder &#8211; one with the old subject line, one with the new. I just delete them and they go away.</p>
<p>Noticed that behavior last night at home connecting to work&#8217;s IMAP server but not today from work. My home and work use different ISPs (one cable, one DSL) so I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s a factor.</p>
<p>On the plus side they fixed the bug where, if you grabbed an attachment from a windows SMB share and dragged it directly to the dock icon and then try to send the message, you would get an error saying that the message couldn&#8217;t be sent using the selected server. I would have to drag it to my desktop and then to the dock icon.</p>
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		<title>By: adamg</title>
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		<dc:creator>adamg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have a similar image problem.  I found if you had send an email with an attachment and wish to &#039;Send Again&#039; the email then the attachment does not show up in this new email...one might think.  So I add it again.  I find that the recipient sees two attachments.  I am not sure if my Sent Messages shows both.

I frequently use the resent to send a slightly different version of an email to another person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have a similar image problem.  I found if you had send an email with an attachment and wish to &#8216;Send Again&#8217; the email then the attachment does not show up in this new email&#8230;one might think.  So I add it again.  I find that the recipient sees two attachments.  I am not sure if my Sent Messages shows both.</p>
<p>I frequently use the resent to send a slightly different version of an email to another person.</p>
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		<title>By: smorr</title>
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		<dc:creator>smorr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good, this means it isn&#039;t MailTags after all... One less bug to fix!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good, this means it isn&#8217;t MailTags after all&#8230; One less bug to fix!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Gaden</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/12/05/leopard-mails-drag-n-drop-double-act/comment-page-1/#comment-297839</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting that.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Rempe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Rempe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following up.  I filed a bug with Apple yesterday on this issue.  I heard back from triage today.  It is a known Apple issue and my bug was marked as a duplicate of another.  I would expect they&#039;ll fix at some point.

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This is a follow up to Bug ID# 5630858.  After further investigation it has been determined that this is a known issue, which is currently being investigated by engineering.  This issue has been filed in our bug database under the original Bug ID# 5243377.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up.  I filed a bug with Apple yesterday on this issue.  I heard back from triage today.  It is a known Apple issue and my bug was marked as a duplicate of another.  I would expect they&#8217;ll fix at some point.</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
This is a follow up to Bug ID# 5630858.  After further investigation it has been determined that this is a known issue, which is currently being investigated by engineering.  This issue has been filed in our bug database under the original Bug ID# 5243377.<br />
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		<title>By: Sigurdur Armannsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sigurdur Armannsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happens to me with and without MailTag. It also happens if I send an attachment using Contextual Menu to e-mail a file ( I think this is a feature of FileBuddy).

One other way to avoid this while it&#039;s being fixed is to make the new mail first and then drag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happens to me with and without MailTag. It also happens if I send an attachment using Contextual Menu to e-mail a file ( I think this is a feature of FileBuddy).</p>
<p>One other way to avoid this while it&#8217;s being fixed is to make the new mail first and then drag.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Rempe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Rempe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can confirm that this happens for me as well on 10.5.1.  I do not have mailtags or any other Mail.app extension software installed.  I installed Leopard using erase and install so this is not an upgrade issue.

I will file an apple bug as well and link to this post and the forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can confirm that this happens for me as well on 10.5.1.  I do not have mailtags or any other Mail.app extension software installed.  I installed Leopard using erase and install so this is not an upgrade issue.</p>
<p>I will file an apple bug as well and link to this post and the forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have Mail Tags installed either, and I encounter the same problem, including the switched mail phenomenon described above. (German localization, btw.)

I&#039;ve sent massive feedback to Apple, including samples of my mails for downloading, which I include here. (If the blog admin thinks this to be unnecessary, please feel free to edit my comment accordingly.)

Hello,

recently, I sent feedback about how Mail (the app) creates two mails (&quot;mail A&quot; and &quot;mail B&quot;) instead of just one when a file (&quot;file A&quot;) is dragged onto the Mail Icon in the Dock. Mail B is created first, Mail A above it,  Mail A then contains the file &quot;A&quot;, (hence I chose to name this one &quot;A&quot;.)

Now, I&#039;ve got additional feedback on that subject: The second mail form (&quot;B&quot;, the one created first) is unusable. In my case I tried to send a different file, &quot;file B&quot;, to a different address by dragging file &quot;B&quot; onto mail &quot;B&quot;. Mail &quot;A&quot; with file &quot;A&quot; has not been sent at the time. After writing and formatting Mail &quot;B&quot;, I sent both (actually, I sent 6 mails, A&amp;B, as well as C&amp;D plus two &quot;normal&quot; ones, sending them all off in rather quick succession) via my .Mac account.

Since I was also on the list of addressees, I expected all those mails to show up in my inbox. Instead, only one of them arrived (I don&#039;t remember if that was A or B, to be honest), but it arrived twice. And, (for the sake of explanation, let&#039;s pretend that Mail &quot;B&quot; came back), it had Mail &quot;A&quot;&#039;s subject line, while mail &quot;A&quot; never seemed to exist. This happened with mail C and D respectively, while one of the other two mails got lost completely, while the other one arrived carrying the lost one&#039;s file, the one I sent it off with was missing. The mails are actually showing up wrong in my Sent folder, as if I sent them away like that.

I know this is a bit complicated by now, that&#039;s why I&#039;m uploading the mails for you in a zip file which I will remove from the server after Dec. 20, 2007. You can see the differing &quot;sent&quot; dates in those files. Here&#039;s the address:

--- removed ---

And here&#039;s more explanation:

Mail 1a: Was sent 21:55:49, should have been sent only once. Is exact twin of Mail 1b, carries the according subject line and text.

Mail 1b: Was sent 21:55:53, is exact twin of Mail 1a, carries the according subject line and text. (but the mail should have been sent only once at all).

Mail 2: Contains wrong picture file. Was sent off with a blurred image of my cousin, a girl in a red snowboard jacket. The (lost) Mail which contained this picture here (some installation valves for just 19,99!) was sent off to ---@---, but never arrived. If you look into my .Mac account&#039;s log files, you&#039;ll find that same picture in some other mail sent in a second try at 22:10:44.

Mail 3a: Was sent 21:55:55, is exact twin of Mail 3b, carries the wrong subject line. Subject line should have been something containing &quot;Toni&quot; and &quot;Lotto&quot; or &quot;Lottozahlen&quot; or &quot;Jackpot&quot;, if I remember correctly.

Mail 3b: Was sent 21:55:56, is exact twin of Mail 3a, carries the wrong subject line as well. Subject line should have been something containing &quot;Toni&quot; and &quot;Lotto&quot; or &quot;Lottozahlen&quot; or &quot;Jackpot&quot;, if I remember correctly. (but the mail should have been sent only once at all).

Completely missing, and therefore neither in my &quot;Sent&quot; box nor in the Zip file I provided, are the following mails:

- Subject &quot;Weihnachten naht&quot; (as in 3a and b), containing two pictures of a christmas market.

- Subject &quot;Das wÃ¤re was fÃ¼r Euer EntlÃ¼ftungsproblem&quot; (or something like it), containing the picture mentioned above with the 5 valves in a yellow paper and clear plastic container.

Phew, I hope you can make something out of all of this. I&#039;d hate to have typed that much feedback just for the dustbin...

Best wishes from Germany,

Julian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have Mail Tags installed either, and I encounter the same problem, including the switched mail phenomenon described above. (German localization, btw.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve sent massive feedback to Apple, including samples of my mails for downloading, which I include here. (If the blog admin thinks this to be unnecessary, please feel free to edit my comment accordingly.)</p>
<p>Hello,</p>
<p>recently, I sent feedback about how Mail (the app) creates two mails (&#8220;mail A&#8221; and &#8220;mail B&#8221;) instead of just one when a file (&#8220;file A&#8221;) is dragged onto the Mail Icon in the Dock. Mail B is created first, Mail A above it,  Mail A then contains the file &#8220;A&#8221;, (hence I chose to name this one &#8220;A&#8221;.)</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ve got additional feedback on that subject: The second mail form (&#8220;B&#8221;, the one created first) is unusable. In my case I tried to send a different file, &#8220;file B&#8221;, to a different address by dragging file &#8220;B&#8221; onto mail &#8220;B&#8221;. Mail &#8220;A&#8221; with file &#8220;A&#8221; has not been sent at the time. After writing and formatting Mail &#8220;B&#8221;, I sent both (actually, I sent 6 mails, A&amp;B, as well as C&amp;D plus two &#8220;normal&#8221; ones, sending them all off in rather quick succession) via my .Mac account.</p>
<p>Since I was also on the list of addressees, I expected all those mails to show up in my inbox. Instead, only one of them arrived (I don&#8217;t remember if that was A or B, to be honest), but it arrived twice. And, (for the sake of explanation, let&#8217;s pretend that Mail &#8220;B&#8221; came back), it had Mail &#8220;A&#8221;&#8216;s subject line, while mail &#8220;A&#8221; never seemed to exist. This happened with mail C and D respectively, while one of the other two mails got lost completely, while the other one arrived carrying the lost one&#8217;s file, the one I sent it off with was missing. The mails are actually showing up wrong in my Sent folder, as if I sent them away like that.</p>
<p>I know this is a bit complicated by now, that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m uploading the mails for you in a zip file which I will remove from the server after Dec. 20, 2007. You can see the differing &#8220;sent&#8221; dates in those files. Here&#8217;s the address:</p>
<p>&#8212; removed &#8212;</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s more explanation:</p>
<p>Mail 1a: Was sent 21:55:49, should have been sent only once. Is exact twin of Mail 1b, carries the according subject line and text.</p>
<p>Mail 1b: Was sent 21:55:53, is exact twin of Mail 1a, carries the according subject line and text. (but the mail should have been sent only once at all).</p>
<p>Mail 2: Contains wrong picture file. Was sent off with a blurred image of my cousin, a girl in a red snowboard jacket. The (lost) Mail which contained this picture here (some installation valves for just 19,99!) was sent off to &#8212;@&#8212;, but never arrived. If you look into my .Mac account&#8217;s log files, you&#8217;ll find that same picture in some other mail sent in a second try at 22:10:44.</p>
<p>Mail 3a: Was sent 21:55:55, is exact twin of Mail 3b, carries the wrong subject line. Subject line should have been something containing &#8220;Toni&#8221; and &#8220;Lotto&#8221; or &#8220;Lottozahlen&#8221; or &#8220;Jackpot&#8221;, if I remember correctly.</p>
<p>Mail 3b: Was sent 21:55:56, is exact twin of Mail 3a, carries the wrong subject line as well. Subject line should have been something containing &#8220;Toni&#8221; and &#8220;Lotto&#8221; or &#8220;Lottozahlen&#8221; or &#8220;Jackpot&#8221;, if I remember correctly. (but the mail should have been sent only once at all).</p>
<p>Completely missing, and therefore neither in my &#8220;Sent&#8221; box nor in the Zip file I provided, are the following mails:</p>
<p>- Subject &#8220;Weihnachten naht&#8221; (as in 3a and b), containing two pictures of a christmas market.</p>
<p>- Subject &#8220;Das wÃ¤re was fÃ¼r Euer EntlÃ¼ftungsproblem&#8221; (or something like it), containing the picture mentioned above with the 5 valves in a yellow paper and clear plastic container.</p>
<p>Phew, I hope you can make something out of all of this. I&#8217;d hate to have typed that much feedback just for the dustbin&#8230;</p>
<p>Best wishes from Germany,</p>
<p>Julian</p>
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