Comments on: The iPhone: What email client is that? http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/ Tips and add-ons to make Apple Mail / Mail.app even better Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:45:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Tarek http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-271738 Tarek Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:13:42 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-271738 This Mail client is very rudimentary. For power users, used to working on the BlackBerry, it is not even considered functional. There is no sorting, searching functionality and no way to skip thru messages very quickly. NOT A BUSINESS TOOL, Great UI though. This Mail client is very rudimentary. For power users, used to working on the BlackBerry, it is not even considered functional. There is no sorting, searching functionality and no way to skip thru messages very quickly. NOT A BUSINESS TOOL, Great UI though.

]]> By: Toby Stokes http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-68948 Toby Stokes Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:52:13 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-68948 Just noticed on the Surfin Safari blog - http://webkit.org/blog/?p=87 "WebKit is also used for the iPhone’s rich HTML mail capabilities." Just noticed on the Surfin Safari blog - http://webkit.org/blog/?p=87

“WebKit is also used for the iPhone’s rich HTML mail capabilities.”

]]> By: Jesse David Hollington http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-62470 Jesse David Hollington Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:02:46 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-62470 Our time with it was <i>very</i> limited, so we didn't get into as much depth as we would have liked. It certainly <i>looks</i> very much like a pared-down version of Apple Mail, however. Whether that's an indication of the same code-base or simply the same interface I'm really not certain. Our time with it was very limited, so we didn’t get into as much depth as we would have liked. It certainly looks very much like a pared-down version of Apple Mail, however. Whether that’s an indication of the same code-base or simply the same interface I’m really not certain.

]]> By: Tim Gaden http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-62365 Tim Gaden Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:12:51 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-62365 Jesse. So it does look like a cut-back version of Mail? Send me the link to the coverage on another site so that I can possibly give it and you a plug. Jesse. So it does look like a cut-back version of Mail?

Send me the link to the coverage on another site so that I can possibly give it and you a plug.

]]> By: Jesse David Hollington http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-62299 Jesse David Hollington Sat, 13 Jan 2007 05:35:28 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-62299 Having had a chance to play with the iPhone up close & personal (albeit <i>very</i> briefly) and ask a few questions on it (as part of coverage for another site), I am able to report that it definitely does not <i>compose</i> HTML or rich text mail. It will of course <i>view</i> rich-text/HTML mail, and even allow existing messages to be forwarded, but there is nothing in the interface to provide this. As for the Yahoo Mail connection that another comment mentioned, I'm not entirely sure of the internal workings of the Yahoo Mail scenario (and didn't have time to ask), I suspect there is something slightly more to it. Yahoo was also the first e-mail service to provide "push" e-mail for the new Blackberry Web Client. IMAP IDLE obviously offers this capability, but I suspect there may be something more than this internally. Having had a chance to play with the iPhone up close & personal (albeit very briefly) and ask a few questions on it (as part of coverage for another site), I am able to report that it definitely does not compose HTML or rich text mail.

It will of course view rich-text/HTML mail, and even allow existing messages to be forwarded, but there is nothing in the interface to provide this.

As for the Yahoo Mail connection that another comment mentioned, I’m not entirely sure of the internal workings of the Yahoo Mail scenario (and didn’t have time to ask), I suspect there is something slightly more to it. Yahoo was also the first e-mail service to provide “push” e-mail for the new Blackberry Web Client. IMAP IDLE obviously offers this capability, but I suspect there may be something more than this internally.

]]> By: David Flynn http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-61609 David Flynn Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:05:08 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-61609 Jayzee: you're very right, Jobs just called the iPhone's OS "OS X", which most people took for shorthand to mean "Mac OS X", which then created an expected degree of bleating (especially but not limited exclusively to the more rabid fanboys) that "The iPhone runs Mac OS X, w00t!! It's got widgets and everything, all the power of a desktop Mac OS in your hand, no cut-down Windows CE" etc. Of course, now that the dust has settled, a few folk are breathing a little deeper and realising that this just ain't possible, aswell as that it'd make no sense (unless you want to install InDesign on your iPhone?) -- and that at best it's a severely yet intelligently pared-back core or kernel, or even a different OS (such as a pint-sized *nix) written to look and work as much like the _Mac_ OS X as needs be... in much the same way that Jobs replaced the MacOS with OS X, which was an all-new OS but cannily engineered to look and work as much like the MacOS as was necessary. David Jayzee: you’re very right, Jobs just called the iPhone’s OS “OS X”, which most people took for shorthand to mean “Mac OS X”, which then created an expected degree of bleating (especially but not limited exclusively to the more rabid fanboys) that “The iPhone runs Mac OS X, w00t!! It’s got widgets and everything, all the power of a desktop Mac OS in your hand, no cut-down Windows CE” etc.

Of course, now that the dust has settled, a few folk are breathing a little deeper and realising that this just ain’t possible, aswell as that it’d make no sense (unless you want to install InDesign on your iPhone?) — and that at best it’s a severely yet intelligently pared-back core or kernel, or even a different OS (such as a pint-sized *nix) written to look and work as much like the _Mac_ OS X as needs be… in much the same way that Jobs replaced the MacOS with OS X, which was an all-new OS but cannily engineered to look and work as much like the MacOS as was necessary.

David

]]> By: Mike http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-61552 Mike Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:37:02 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-61552 "Mail.app users are used to the distinction between “Rich Text” and HTML email, and Mail’s ability to compose only in the former whilst happily displaying the latter." Actually, Tim, Mail has changed what it does. At one time the standard for adding formatting to email was text/enriched as defined in RFC1896: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1896.html You can read a short summary on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_text The problem here was Netscape (see the linked article at wiki). They wanted to crash into the mail client market but had no parser for enriched text, so they used their HTML parser instead - with a number of undesirable results, some of which have been solved since, some of which continue to cause problems. Mail, like the NeXT mail application before it, composed in text/enriched up to and including Panther. In the Preferences that was indicated by a dropdown reading "Rich Text". That dialog still reads the same way in Tiger's Mail, but now if you select "Rich Text", Mail composes in a form of HTML. “Mail.app users are used to the distinction between “Rich Text” and HTML email, and Mail’s ability to compose only in the former whilst happily displaying the latter.”

Actually, Tim, Mail has changed what it does.

At one time the standard for adding formatting to email was text/enriched as defined in RFC1896:

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1896.html

You can read a short summary on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_text

The problem here was Netscape (see the linked article at wiki). They wanted to crash into the mail client market but had no parser for enriched text, so they used their HTML parser instead - with a number of undesirable results, some of which have been solved since, some of which continue to cause problems.

Mail, like the NeXT mail application before it, composed in text/enriched up to and including Panther. In the Preferences that was indicated by a dropdown reading “Rich Text”. That dialog still reads the same way in Tiger’s Mail, but now if you select “Rich Text”, Mail composes in a form of HTML.

]]> By: Sebhelyesfarku http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-61495 Sebhelyesfarku Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:08:21 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-61495 This Yahoo push imap mail thing sounds like bullshit or marketing spin. Most IMAP servers have IDLE function so any mail client (like the Symbian mail client) can have push email. I have push email on my Symbian S60 phone from 2 barefoot ISP imap mailboxes. This Yahoo push imap mail thing sounds like bullshit or marketing spin. Most IMAP servers have IDLE function so any mail client (like the Symbian mail client) can have push email. I have push email on my Symbian S60 phone from 2 barefoot ISP imap mailboxes.

]]> By: Galen http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-61226 Galen Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:04:23 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-61226 They've looped Yahoo! in on the email side, so maybe it's some custom kit that ties in with the new Y! Mail beta? They’ve looped Yahoo! in on the email side, so maybe it’s some custom kit that ties in with the new Y! Mail beta?

]]> By: Chris Brown http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-61213 Chris Brown Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:35:16 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/10/the-iphone-what-email-client-is-that/#comment-61213 I've heard that a more robust html feature-set is coming in the next release of OSX, Leopard. Since the iPhone's USA release date is 6 months out, presumably after the release of Leopard, it's possible that the new Mail features will trickle down to the phone prior to its debut. Just a wild guess. I’ve heard that a more robust html feature-set is coming in the next release of OSX, Leopard. Since the iPhone’s USA release date is 6 months out, presumably after the release of Leopard, it’s possible that the new Mail features will trickle down to the phone prior to its debut. Just a wild guess.

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