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	<description>Tips and add-ons to make Apple Mail / Mail.app even better</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Gaden</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/18/entourage-classy-but-just-too-slooooow/comment-page-1/#comment-156675</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse -- How about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/09/26/backing-up-apple-mail/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this list&lt;/a&gt; for starters?  Is that the kind of thing that you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse &#8212; How about <a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/09/26/backing-up-apple-mail/" rel="nofollow">this list</a> for starters?  Is that the kind of thing that you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/18/entourage-classy-but-just-too-slooooow/comment-page-1/#comment-150474</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently the entourage send mail function is getting slower and slower.  MS says all is well on the entourage side and the problem is with .mac.  Receive mail rocks.  Any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently the entourage send mail function is getting slower and slower.  MS says all is well on the entourage side and the problem is with .mac.  Receive mail rocks.  Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/18/entourage-classy-but-just-too-slooooow/comment-page-1/#comment-145191</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 21:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We use entourage mainly because there is only one file to backup. We&#039;d consider switching to Apple Mail if we knew how to back it up, anyone know what file(s) for folder(s) would need to be backed up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We use entourage mainly because there is only one file to backup. We&#8217;d consider switching to Apple Mail if we knew how to back it up, anyone know what file(s) for folder(s) would need to be backed up?</p>
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		<title>By: topebrown7</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/18/entourage-classy-but-just-too-slooooow/comment-page-1/#comment-136407</link>
		<dc:creator>topebrown7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 12:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Entourage is way too slow. It is really frustrating at times</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Entourage is way too slow. It is really frustrating at times</p>
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		<title>By: Juha Haataja</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/18/entourage-classy-but-just-too-slooooow/comment-page-1/#comment-28845</link>
		<dc:creator>Juha Haataja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still using Entourage, because of two reasons: I need access to Exchange calendars (and need to sync my Nokia 9300i with Exchange), and Mail doesn&#039;t properly handle long web addresses (they get broken in the receiving end). But Entourage is not as polished, not as easy, and often works counterintuitively. And the search function is way behind Mail in all respects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still using Entourage, because of two reasons: I need access to Exchange calendars (and need to sync my Nokia 9300i with Exchange), and Mail doesn&#8217;t properly handle long web addresses (they get broken in the receiving end). But Entourage is not as polished, not as easy, and often works counterintuitively. And the search function is way behind Mail in all respects.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/18/entourage-classy-but-just-too-slooooow/comment-page-1/#comment-28843</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris, it sounds like you have an old (slow) mac with limited memory and maybe an old version of Mac OS X. I can&#039;t explain SmartFolders not working for you... they do for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris, it sounds like you have an old (slow) mac with limited memory and maybe an old version of Mac OS X. I can&#8217;t explain SmartFolders not working for you&#8230; they do for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/18/entourage-classy-but-just-too-slooooow/comment-page-1/#comment-28834</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll bet he&#039;ll be switching again soon. Mail.app is a terrible, terrible mail client. Smart folders simply dont work (e.g. my &quot;received today&quot; folder doesnt actually show messages received today). IMAP support is awful, large mailbox support is awful, the interface is similarly awful. I sound bitter, don&#039;t I? With all of the software choice on the Mac, particularly with browsers, you would think there would be some decent mail clients, but there are none. I may have to begrudgingly move to gmail. I dont want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll bet he&#8217;ll be switching again soon. Mail.app is a terrible, terrible mail client. Smart folders simply dont work (e.g. my &#8220;received today&#8221; folder doesnt actually show messages received today). IMAP support is awful, large mailbox support is awful, the interface is similarly awful. I sound bitter, don&#8217;t I? With all of the software choice on the Mac, particularly with browsers, you would think there would be some decent mail clients, but there are none. I may have to begrudgingly move to gmail. I dont want to.</p>
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		<title>By: The Plaid Cow</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/18/entourage-classy-but-just-too-slooooow/comment-page-1/#comment-28822</link>
		<dc:creator>The Plaid Cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple could learn a lot from Microsoft on how to properly implement AppleScript support for an application. I tried to move all my account to Mail, but can&#039;t--the support is just not there at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple could learn a lot from Microsoft on how to properly implement AppleScript support for an application. I tried to move all my account to Mail, but can&#8217;t&#8211;the support is just not there at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More or less exactly how IMAP was intended to work? 

I&#039;m a big fan of Mail, and I insist on IMAP for the same reasons Khoi appears to like it (same messages, statuses, etc. no matter where you access from: home, office, web, Mail, Thunderbird, etc.). But my experience with Mail and IMAP has been decidedly different.

After reading posts on HawkWings.net, 43Folders and other sites, I have begun implementing aspects of GTD. As a part of this effort, I whittled my primary account&#039;s Inbox from several thousand to a couple of dozen messages, and I empty it every day. Still, Mail can be excruciatingly slow in checking for new mail, evaluating junk mail, changing message status, applying rules, and moving messages to folders on my IMAP server. This appears to happen no matter my connection speed. I&#039;ve not tested this against other applications and the same settings, but I&#039;ve seen it reported elsewhere.

More of a problem, certain messages (I cannot isolate commonalities) will not display unless I Rebuild the mailbox in which they are contained. Instead, I see an exception message that says the account must be taken online in order to read the message (despite that the account is online and the adjacent message displays properly). 

I&#039;ve attempted to jump ship several times, and revert back to Entourage (which I haven&#039;t used in a few years) or Thunderbird (which I&#039;ve never used), but I love Mail&#039;s integration with the OS and other applications, as well as it&#039;s UI, and I&#039;ve read some pretty bad reviews of other mail clients as well.

Any tips on getting Mail to behave with IMAP would be greatly appreciated. Oh, and I&#039;m open to new hosts, particularly those that would allow web-based access and/or syncronization not only with Mail accounts and folders through IMAP, but also a web version of my AddressBook and iCal content (but not .mac, as I need it for my buisness domain).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More or less exactly how IMAP was intended to work? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of Mail, and I insist on IMAP for the same reasons Khoi appears to like it (same messages, statuses, etc. no matter where you access from: home, office, web, Mail, Thunderbird, etc.). But my experience with Mail and IMAP has been decidedly different.</p>
<p>After reading posts on HawkWings.net, 43Folders and other sites, I have begun implementing aspects of GTD. As a part of this effort, I whittled my primary account&#8217;s Inbox from several thousand to a couple of dozen messages, and I empty it every day. Still, Mail can be excruciatingly slow in checking for new mail, evaluating junk mail, changing message status, applying rules, and moving messages to folders on my IMAP server. This appears to happen no matter my connection speed. I&#8217;ve not tested this against other applications and the same settings, but I&#8217;ve seen it reported elsewhere.</p>
<p>More of a problem, certain messages (I cannot isolate commonalities) will not display unless I Rebuild the mailbox in which they are contained. Instead, I see an exception message that says the account must be taken online in order to read the message (despite that the account is online and the adjacent message displays properly). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve attempted to jump ship several times, and revert back to Entourage (which I haven&#8217;t used in a few years) or Thunderbird (which I&#8217;ve never used), but I love Mail&#8217;s integration with the OS and other applications, as well as it&#8217;s UI, and I&#8217;ve read some pretty bad reviews of other mail clients as well.</p>
<p>Any tips on getting Mail to behave with IMAP would be greatly appreciated. Oh, and I&#8217;m open to new hosts, particularly those that would allow web-based access and/or syncronization not only with Mail accounts and folders through IMAP, but also a web version of my AddressBook and iCal content (but not .mac, as I need it for my buisness domain).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I moved from XP/Outlook to Mail/iCal/AddressBook over the summer and am very happy for it. The only things I wish for are: _native_ support for IMAP IDL in Mail; drag-and-drop linkage of mail messages into iCal appointments; and an Apple portable with an IBM-quality trackpoint pointing device. It&#039;s good riddens to the Microsoft dogs, though. Vista and Office 2007 just look like lipstick on the same old pig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moved from XP/Outlook to Mail/iCal/AddressBook over the summer and am very happy for it. The only things I wish for are: _native_ support for IMAP IDL in Mail; drag-and-drop linkage of mail messages into iCal appointments; and an Apple portable with an IBM-quality trackpoint pointing device. It&#8217;s good riddens to the Microsoft dogs, though. Vista and Office 2007 just look like lipstick on the same old pig.</p>
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