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	<title>Comments on: Four things that Mail.app can&#8217;t do</title>
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		<title>By: Adam Shand</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/14/four-things-that-mailapp-cant-do/#comment-207816</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Shand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a moderately large IMAP account (~1GB of mail and ~100,000 messages)  which I run on a very underspec'd Linux box and I've actually found that Mail.app is the *best* of the available clients from a speed and reliability point of view.

One *key* thing seems to be how you set the caching options.

* In "Mail.app - Preferences - Accounts -  - Advanced"
* Set "Keep copies of messages for offline viewing:" to "All messages, but omit attachments"

One problem I have seen is that on *very* slow mail servers (talking &#62; 5 seconds to load each message over a LAN) Mail.app does seem to freak out and doesn't seem to be able to manage your read/unread message states.   Which is infuriating :-)


PS. I'm also a sysadmin who used to support a fairly large mail server with lots of Thunderbird and Mail.app (and other sundry) clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a moderately large IMAP account (~1GB of mail and ~100,000 messages)  which I run on a very underspec&#8217;d Linux box and I&#8217;ve actually found that Mail.app is the *best* of the available clients from a speed and reliability point of view.</p>
<p>One *key* thing seems to be how you set the caching options.</p>
<p>* In &#8220;Mail.app - Preferences - Accounts -  - Advanced&#8221;<br />
* Set &#8220;Keep copies of messages for offline viewing:&#8221; to &#8220;All messages, but omit attachments&#8221;</p>
<p>One problem I have seen is that on *very* slow mail servers (talking &gt; 5 seconds to load each message over a LAN) Mail.app does seem to freak out and doesn&#8217;t seem to be able to manage your read/unread message states.   Which is infuriating :-)</p>
<p>PS. I&#8217;m also a sysadmin who used to support a fairly large mail server with lots of Thunderbird and Mail.app (and other sundry) clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/14/four-things-that-mailapp-cant-do/#comment-28591</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I saw greatly hoping the commenting on this post would be relevant ;-) , I can't but help chime in:

I regularly hear complaint about poor IMAP support and I have the same amounts of messages and data that many of you have across two different account, BOTH of which are served by OS X Servers.

It is possible that Mail's IMAP support isn't THAT bad, but is rather just incompatible with some of the plethora of different IMAP servers out there? Does it use something proprietary to allow it to be painlessly compatible with OS X Server?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I saw greatly hoping the commenting on this post would be relevant ;-) , I can&#8217;t but help chime in:</p>
<p>I regularly hear complaint about poor IMAP support and I have the same amounts of messages and data that many of you have across two different account, BOTH of which are served by OS X Servers.</p>
<p>It is possible that Mail&#8217;s IMAP support isn&#8217;t THAT bad, but is rather just incompatible with some of the plethora of different IMAP servers out there? Does it use something proprietary to allow it to be painlessly compatible with OS X Server?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/14/four-things-that-mailapp-cant-do/#comment-28536</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Liam - Congrats on the purchase. 

I haven't in fact archived it in any fancy way at all. They are all in normal folders. I tend to shy away from dedicated archiving apps like MailSteward and to trust in the power of Spotlight instead.

Still, I'm tempted by &lt;a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/16/eaglefiler-tag-smart-open-format-pim/" rel="nofollow"&gt;EagleFiler&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Liam - Congrats on the purchase. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t in fact archived it in any fancy way at all. They are all in normal folders. I tend to shy away from dedicated archiving apps like MailSteward and to trust in the power of Spotlight instead.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m tempted by <a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/16/eaglefiler-tag-smart-open-format-pim/" rel="nofollow">EagleFiler</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/14/four-things-that-mailapp-cant-do/#comment-28531</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shaanin - The Outbox doesn't normally appear. An email goes straight to the special Sent folder (which changes its name to "Sending..." while the email is on its way).

The Outbox only appears if Mail can't actually send the email for some reason.

Admittedly, it stays visible after connectivity is restored and the email is sent, which is untidy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shaanin - The Outbox doesn&#8217;t normally appear. An email goes straight to the special Sent folder (which changes its name to &#8220;Sending&#8230;&#8221; while the email is on its way).</p>
<p>The Outbox only appears if Mail can&#8217;t actually send the email for some reason.</p>
<p>Admittedly, it stays visible after connectivity is restored and the email is sent, which is untidy.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/10/14/four-things-that-mailapp-cant-do/#comment-28497</link>
		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Liam! Are you using a Mac now? :)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah! For sure! Brand-spanking new MacBook. Well, maybe not so new. I bought it in August.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™ve archived them off as a result which is less than ideal, esp, if you need to search them for data.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Did you do that in a similar way to how I did it? Or have you devised some far more efficient way that I could never imagine dreaming up? :)

ps -- I like the tunnel picture at the top; it took me a while to figure out what it was, but I appreciate it now that I understand!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Liam! Are you using a Mac now? :)</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah! For sure! Brand-spanking new MacBook. Well, maybe not so new. I bought it in August.</p>
<blockquote><p>Iâ€™ve archived them off as a result which is less than ideal, esp, if you need to search them for data.</p></blockquote>
<p>Did you do that in a similar way to how I did it? Or have you devised some far more efficient way that I could never imagine dreaming up? :)</p>
<p>ps &#8212; I like the tunnel picture at the top; it took me a while to figure out what it was, but I appreciate it now that I understand!</p>
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		<title>By: Shaahin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaahin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a strange problem. There is no &lt;strong&gt;OUTBOX&lt;/strong&gt; listed on Mail.app for me! Is this a default option, or some strange bug?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a strange problem. There is no <strong>OUTBOX</strong> listed on Mail.app for me! Is this a default option, or some strange bug?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liam! Are you using a Mac now? :)

I have this problem only with the folder containing my Whirlpool emails. Too much gas-bagging and not enough article writing ;-)

I've archived them off as a result which is less than ideal, esp, if you need to search them for data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liam! Are you using a Mac now? :)</p>
<p>I have this problem only with the folder containing my Whirlpool emails. Too much gas-bagging and not enough article writing ;-)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve archived them off as a result which is less than ideal, esp, if you need to search them for data.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm certainly the same as Dan, and Don's third point (who's on first?).

My account has more than 20,000 messages, which was stubbornly slow to load. So I moved most of the old ones to a separate folder which I only use when I'm searching through my archives. It's annoying, but at least it band-aids the slow-load problem.

As for a PAC file, I don't seem to be able to connect at all through my uni proxy. Again, extremely annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m certainly the same as Dan, and Don&#8217;s third point (who&#8217;s on first?).</p>
<p>My account has more than 20,000 messages, which was stubbornly slow to load. So I moved most of the old ones to a separate folder which I only use when I&#8217;m searching through my archives. It&#8217;s annoying, but at least it band-aids the slow-load problem.</p>
<p>As for a PAC file, I don&#8217;t seem to be able to connect at all through my uni proxy. Again, extremely annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Warne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Warne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm starting to find that Mail can't even handle a large number of emails downloaded via POP. I'm at 3.5GB of email now and the larger folders, e.g. inbox (15,000 emails) take a fair while to display.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m starting to find that Mail can&#8217;t even handle a large number of emails downloaded via POP. I&#8217;m at 3.5GB of email now and the larger folders, e.g. inbox (15,000 emails) take a fair while to display.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don asks,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Am I the only one with Large IMAP issues?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Certainly not...

http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/21/can-mailapp-cope-with-heavy-loads/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don asks,</p>
<blockquote><p>Am I the only one with Large IMAP issues?</p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly not&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/21/can-mailapp-cope-with-heavy-loads/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/21/can-mailapp-cope-with-heavy-loads/</a></p>
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