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	<title>Comments on: Thunderbird vs. Mail.app shootout</title>
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	<description>Tips and add-ons to make Apple Mail / Mail.app even better</description>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/28/thunderbird-vs-mailapp-shootout/comment-page-1/#comment-331322</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUMP! By default mail sorts your inbox with most recent at the bottom of the list. Interesting that used to be the &#039;standard&#039; way but most other emails now have it as the Top. Mail.app seems cool but i think i am going to use Thunderbird . it does seem more feature full and expandable. Maybe apple should allow 3rd party development?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUMP! By default mail sorts your inbox with most recent at the bottom of the list. Interesting that used to be the &#8216;standard&#8217; way but most other emails now have it as the Top. Mail.app seems cool but i think i am going to use Thunderbird . it does seem more feature full and expandable. Maybe apple should allow 3rd party development?</p>
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		<title>By: Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/28/thunderbird-vs-mailapp-shootout/comment-page-1/#comment-327967</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got handed an iBook G4 and will be using Mail. Is there a way to update Mail.app by downloading later versions?? Or am I stuck with what&#039;s installed on this Mac? I come from a (gasp!) Windows background. :-)

0 Max (aka MaxTheITpro)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got handed an iBook G4 and will be using Mail. Is there a way to update Mail.app by downloading later versions?? Or am I stuck with what&#8217;s installed on this Mac? I come from a (gasp!) Windows background. :-)</p>
<p>0 Max (aka MaxTheITpro)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Gaden</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/28/thunderbird-vs-mailapp-shootout/comment-page-1/#comment-110778</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I see.  You can ge more control over the way Mail displays attachments with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/09/toggle-image-and-attachment-display-in-mailapp/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mail Attachments Iconizer&lt;/a&gt; plugin.  That might help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see.  You can ge more control over the way Mail displays attachments with the <a href="http://www.hawkwings.net/2007/01/09/toggle-image-and-attachment-display-in-mailapp/" rel="nofollow">Mail Attachments Iconizer</a> plugin.  That might help.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/28/thunderbird-vs-mailapp-shootout/comment-page-1/#comment-110689</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mail does list the attachments in a message just under the other headers no matter where they are scattered through the message itself.&quot;

Thanks Tim. I know that. Entourage/Outlook has a separate box that you drag the attachments into. It lists them neatly, and you can easily select/reorder etc or see what they are. Much better.
With Mail, they scatter around and get in the way like jumbled graphics. Sometimes they open instead of staying as ikons, and get all jumbled up with the text. Very annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mail does list the attachments in a message just under the other headers no matter where they are scattered through the message itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks Tim. I know that. Entourage/Outlook has a separate box that you drag the attachments into. It lists them neatly, and you can easily select/reorder etc or see what they are. Much better.<br />
With Mail, they scatter around and get in the way like jumbled graphics. Sometimes they open instead of staying as ikons, and get all jumbled up with the text. Very annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Gaden</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/28/thunderbird-vs-mailapp-shootout/comment-page-1/#comment-110614</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mail does list the attachments in a message just under the other headers no matter where they are scattered through the message itself.

Is that not what you are looking for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mail does list the attachments in a message just under the other headers no matter where they are scattered through the message itself.</p>
<p>Is that not what you are looking for?</p>
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		<title>By: John Gilmore</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/28/thunderbird-vs-mailapp-shootout/comment-page-1/#comment-110560</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gilmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing I liked about Entourage was that there was a little panel at the top to organise your attachments. 
Unless I&#039;m missing something, the way Mail.App deals with attachments is very flakey, they just get scattered about in the message field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing I liked about Entourage was that there was a little panel at the top to organise your attachments.<br />
Unless I&#8217;m missing something, the way Mail.App deals with attachments is very flakey, they just get scattered about in the message field.</p>
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		<title>By: Elias</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/28/thunderbird-vs-mailapp-shootout/comment-page-1/#comment-77757</link>
		<dc:creator>Elias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your replies Hawk and AJ. As it turnes out my MacBookPro was the problem. it was one of the early series with the 7200 rpm harddisk and many of these computers have shown problems. After a long struggle and arguments with apple service they replaced the entire MacBookPro with a new one.

My problems had nothing to do with Mail.app! So your analysis of reliability stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your replies Hawk and AJ. As it turnes out my MacBookPro was the problem. it was one of the early series with the 7200 rpm harddisk and many of these computers have shown problems. After a long struggle and arguments with apple service they replaced the entire MacBookPro with a new one.</p>
<p>My problems had nothing to do with Mail.app! So your analysis of reliability stands.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We haven&#039;t heard of this kind of issue with Mail and 10.4.7 or 10.4.8. Considering we do DMI, I think we would have heard of a problem.

I suspect that something else is the cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We haven&#8217;t heard of this kind of issue with Mail and 10.4.7 or 10.4.8. Considering we do DMI, I think we would have heard of a problem.</p>
<p>I suspect that something else is the cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Gaden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Gaden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elias, that sounds terrible. Sorry to hear your experience. 

I have to say, though, that out of all the hundreds of Mail users that I have contact with, this is the first time that I have heard of something like this. Are you sure that it is Mail&#039;s fault?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elias, that sounds terrible. Sorry to hear your experience. </p>
<p>I have to say, though, that out of all the hundreds of Mail users that I have contact with, this is the first time that I have heard of something like this. Are you sure that it is Mail&#8217;s fault?</p>
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		<title>By: Elias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However much I have enjoyed using Mail.app over the past years, since osx 10.4.7 is is unusable. On my macbookpro it causes file corruption which knock out Mail.app completely. After a second event like this I&#039;m forced to switch back to 10.4.6 to have a stable platform.

It&#039;s been a very frustrating and expensive experience, and I recommend to anyone to stay clear from mail.app on any osx version after 10.4.6.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However much I have enjoyed using Mail.app over the past years, since osx 10.4.7 is is unusable. On my macbookpro it causes file corruption which knock out Mail.app completely. After a second event like this I&#8217;m forced to switch back to 10.4.6 to have a stable platform.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a very frustrating and expensive experience, and I recommend to anyone to stay clear from mail.app on any osx version after 10.4.6.</p>
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