Comments on: Threading in Thunderbird and Mail http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/ Tips and add-ons to make Apple Mail / Mail.app even better Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:15:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: sjk http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-13334 sjk Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:15:26 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-13334 Hoa, Current version of the internet draft you linked to (which now includes the SORT extension): <a href="http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-imapext-sort-17.txt" rel="nofollow">INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS</a> Ronald, <blockquote>Well, this threading thing is not server side.</blockquote> Not sure which "this" you're referring to but IMAP clients can take advantage of server-based threading capabilities. Apple Mail currently doesn't, <a href="http://www.mulberrymail.com/" rel="nofollow">Mulberry</a> does, Thunderbird might (I've never used it). Hoa,

Current version of the internet draft you linked to (which now includes the SORT extension):

INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - SORT AND THREAD EXTENSIONS

Ronald,

Well, this threading thing is not server side.

Not sure which “this” you’re referring to but IMAP clients can take advantage of server-based threading capabilities. Apple Mail currently doesn’t, Mulberry does, Thunderbird might (I’ve never used it).

]]> By: Ronald http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-13266 Ronald Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:12:25 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-13266 Well, this threading thing is not server side. if you look at the extended headers or pure source of a mail in reply to any other one, you'll notice tags like this: References: In-Reply-To: You would just have to sort these mails like a tree ... @JT Talking about sorting: (have to guess the names, since I use the german version ) Thunderbird 'View' -> 'Sort by' -> 'Date' Thunderbird 'View' -> 'Sort by' -> 'Descending' Thunderbird 'View' -> 'Sort by' -> 'Group by Thread' This way, the most current thread is listed above all others :-) You can also sort by 'Read/Unread', but this doesn't properly include the partly read threads :-/ Well, this threading thing is not server side. if you look at the extended headers or pure source of a mail in reply to any other one, you’ll notice tags like this:
References:
In-Reply-To:
You would just have to sort these mails like a tree …
@JT
Talking about sorting: (have to guess the names, since I use the german version )
Thunderbird ‘View’ -> ‘Sort by’ -> ‘Date’
Thunderbird ‘View’ -> ‘Sort by’ -> ‘Descending’
Thunderbird ‘View’ -> ‘Sort by’ -> ‘Group by Thread’
This way, the most current thread is listed above all others :-)
You can also sort by ‘Read/Unread’, but this doesn’t properly include the partly read threads :-/

]]> By: sjk http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12659 sjk Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:15:44 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12659 Hopefully Mail in Leopard will support IMAP server threading capabilities. Hopefully Mail in Leopard will support IMAP server threading capabilities.

]]> By: Hoa http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12601 Hoa Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:05:53 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12601 You can do this if you are developing a mail application :) Just propagate the date of the youngest message to the parent before sorting the sibling messages instead of sorting using the description in : http://www.jwz.org/doc/draft-ietf-imapext-thread-12.txt You can do this if you are developing a mail application :)
Just propagate the date of the youngest message to the parent before sorting the sibling messages instead of sorting using the description in :
http://www.jwz.org/doc/draft-ietf-imapext-thread-12.txt

]]> By: JT http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12600 JT Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:37:11 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12600 Well please let me know how to adjust the algorithm then :) Well please let me know how to adjust the algorithm then :)

]]> By: Hoa http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12599 Hoa Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:36:13 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12599 That's the behavior that "jwz algorithm" describes. But the algorithm can be adjusted to make appear at top of the mailbox threads that have recent replies. That’s the behavior that “jwz algorithm” describes. But the algorithm can be adjusted to make appear at top of the mailbox threads that have recent replies.

]]> By: JT http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12597 JT Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:52:11 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12597 You obviously have not used threads in Thunderbird too long. What Mail does that Thunderbird does NOT do is that threads are sorted by the date of the latest reply in the thread - so threads pop to the top of your inbox. In Thunderbird the thread remains sorted by the date of the original email, so you have to fish around looking for what thread is bold and has an unread reply. The other thing is that Thunderbirds new mail count goes wacky if you use threads - just wait a bit and you should see what I mean :) You obviously have not used threads in Thunderbird too long. What Mail does that Thunderbird does NOT do is that threads are sorted by the date of the latest reply in the thread - so threads pop to the top of your inbox. In Thunderbird the thread remains sorted by the date of the original email, so you have to fish around looking for what thread is bold and has an unread reply. The other thing is that Thunderbirds new mail count goes wacky if you use threads - just wait a bit and you should see what I mean :)

]]> By: Hoa http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12593 Hoa Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:25:54 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12593 the document of how to implement smarter threading can be found here : http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html the document of how to implement smarter threading can be found here :
http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html

]]> By: Tim http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12584 Tim Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:49:56 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12584 There are some tagging extensions for Thunderbird ("Tag the Bird" is one, I think), but I don't know how well developed they are. There are some tagging extensions for Thunderbird (”Tag the Bird” is one, I think), but I don’t know how well developed they are.

]]> By: Cole http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12582 Cole Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:36:18 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/08/18/threading-in-thunderbird-and-mail/#comment-12582 Can ThunderBird to MailTags or something similar? Can ThunderBird to MailTags or something similar?

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