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		<title>By: china Newbie</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/07/26/mailapp-when-the-love-fades/comment-page-1/#comment-10288</link>
		<dc:creator>china Newbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the love fades, it&#039;s time to look for alternatives. I am getting more and more frustrated with mail.app even though it serves my needs and doesn&#039;t really crash too much. 
The thing is that there are so many apps that are exciting to use but this is just not one of them!! 
have you looked at the evolution client by Novell ? 
http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/

It seems like it&#039;s got potential but i can&#039;t find any reviews as far as the mac version goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the love fades, it&#8217;s time to look for alternatives. I am getting more and more frustrated with mail.app even though it serves my needs and doesn&#8217;t really crash too much.<br />
The thing is that there are so many apps that are exciting to use but this is just not one of them!!<br />
have you looked at the evolution client by Novell ?<br />
<a href="http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/</a></p>
<p>It seems like it&#8217;s got potential but i can&#8217;t find any reviews as far as the mac version goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/07/26/mailapp-when-the-love-fades/comment-page-1/#comment-10286</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Image spam is nothing new.  I&#039;ve been getting those for years.   And they are not impossible to detect and filter out either -- though I&#039;m not aware of any application doing it yet.    Even though the attachments have different names etc, the images themselves are the same and it wouldn&#039;t be too complicated to come up with an MD5 sum or some other signature to detect and filter them out.  

In fact, virus scan smtp servers would be prime candidates for this type of filtering - if they don&#039;t already do it. 

Of course the best way to eliminate spam is not to get any in the first place.   I have multiple email addresses - some are &quot;public&quot; and known and others are private.  I don&#039;t get any spam on the private addresses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Image spam is nothing new.  I&#8217;ve been getting those for years.   And they are not impossible to detect and filter out either &#8212; though I&#8217;m not aware of any application doing it yet.    Even though the attachments have different names etc, the images themselves are the same and it wouldn&#8217;t be too complicated to come up with an MD5 sum or some other signature to detect and filter them out.  </p>
<p>In fact, virus scan smtp servers would be prime candidates for this type of filtering &#8211; if they don&#8217;t already do it. </p>
<p>Of course the best way to eliminate spam is not to get any in the first place.   I have multiple email addresses &#8211; some are &#8220;public&#8221; and known and others are private.  I don&#8217;t get any spam on the private addresses.</p>
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		<title>By: monoclast</title>
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		<dc:creator>monoclast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to disagree, guys; but, SpamSieve is great only until you try POPfile and realize there&#039;s something much, much better out there. POPfile runs circles around SpamSieve, and just about every other spam filter I&#039;ve ever tried, for that matter.

POPfile uses a superior classification algorythm, learns way faster, is more accurate, and is not fooled by email content changes like the ones you mention that got through Mail&#039;s filtering. It&#039;s also open source, and works with virtually any POP mail client - it can even serve multiple computers on your network. Do yourself a favor and check it out. You&#039;ll never go back!:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POPFile
http://sourceforge.net/projects/popfile/
http://popfile.sourceforge.net/popfile_stats.html

PS: I am not affiliated in any way with the POPfile project, other than that I have become a loyal &quot;customer&quot; after using POPfile for almost two years now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to disagree, guys; but, SpamSieve is great only until you try POPfile and realize there&#8217;s something much, much better out there. POPfile runs circles around SpamSieve, and just about every other spam filter I&#8217;ve ever tried, for that matter.</p>
<p>POPfile uses a superior classification algorythm, learns way faster, is more accurate, and is not fooled by email content changes like the ones you mention that got through Mail&#8217;s filtering. It&#8217;s also open source, and works with virtually any POP mail client &#8211; it can even serve multiple computers on your network. Do yourself a favor and check it out. You&#8217;ll never go back!:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POPFile" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POPFile</a><br />
<a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/popfile/" rel="nofollow">http://sourceforge.net/projects/popfile/</a><br />
<a href="http://popfile.sourceforge.net/popfile_stats.html" rel="nofollow">http://popfile.sourceforge.net/popfile_stats.html</a></p>
<p>PS: I am not affiliated in any way with the POPfile project, other than that I have become a loyal &#8220;customer&#8221; after using POPfile for almost two years now!</p>
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		<title>By: sjk</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/07/26/mailapp-when-the-love-fades/comment-page-1/#comment-10268</link>
		<dc:creator>sjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for mentioning this new variety of image spam.  Fortunately I haven&#039;t been victimized by it and hopefully won&#039;t be.

What&#039;s been frustrating me most recently is the rubbish I&#039;ve been unable to stop from landing in one inbox that&#039;s always addressed toÂ an address specifically used for correspondence with MacUpdate which has somehow been obtained by spammers.  Still no response from Joel Mueller after reporting it to him with a sample, whichÂ hasn&#039;t made me feel any better about this.

Bob wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Whoever is doing this is also very clever about the addressing. It is as if they are either looking at mail I have sent to pick names or they have ripped off my address book.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;d sure like to know how the MU address mentioned above was leaked.  I&#039;ve discovered only a few other instances of spam mysteriously addressed to other infrequently used, semi-private addresses.  I seriously doubt they were randomly generated or obtained from a compromised PC abook.  Far more frequently used and easily guessed addresses in the same domains have remained private.

There&#039;s no security in &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; clear text communication over the net, but it&#039;s unavoidably inevitable without severely restricting activities.  And securely-stored data won&#039;t necessarily remain that way; systems/databases do get cracked.  Trusting parties can be nefariously hijacked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for mentioning this new variety of image spam.  Fortunately I haven&#8217;t been victimized by it and hopefully won&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s been frustrating me most recently is the rubbish I&#8217;ve been unable to stop from landing in one inbox that&#8217;s always addressed toÂ an address specifically used for correspondence with MacUpdate which has somehow been obtained by spammers.  Still no response from Joel Mueller after reporting it to him with a sample, whichÂ hasn&#8217;t made me feel any better about this.</p>
<p>Bob wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Whoever is doing this is also very clever about the addressing. It is as if they are either looking at mail I have sent to pick names or they have ripped off my address book.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d sure like to know how the MU address mentioned above was leaked.  I&#8217;ve discovered only a few other instances of spam mysteriously addressed to other infrequently used, semi-private addresses.  I seriously doubt they were randomly generated or obtained from a compromised PC abook.  Far more frequently used and easily guessed addresses in the same domains have remained private.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no security in <i>any</i> clear text communication over the net, but it&#8217;s unavoidably inevitable without severely restricting activities.  And securely-stored data won&#8217;t necessarily remain that way; systems/databases do get cracked.  Trusting parties can be nefariously hijacked.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Perdriau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Perdriau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on the &quot;New Spam&quot;. Here is a snippet of an email I sent to a friend. Not the complete picture but maybe some insight and a way to test if you are getting this new kind of spam.

Pay particular attention to the address field of this spam. What you find will amaze you.

This is I fear a major win for the Dark Side and it will take major effort to resolve.


Meg,

I notice that when I try to reply to you the spam example you sent is not returned to you. I find that if I hold the mouse down over the spam portion of the message you sent and drag it to the Desktop I get a document titled &quot;unknown.gif&quot;. This suggests to me that most of the file is a graphic attachment with maybe only the addressing as text. The addressing, of course, must be readable to send the message.

Whoever is doing this is also very clever about the addressing. It is as if they are either looking at mail I have sent to pick names or they have ripped off my address book.

This is going to be a tough challenge. It is not the fault of Apple Mail or any other mail program or computer platform. I don&#039;t think it is going to be as simple as fooling with filter settings to eliminate this scourge.

Bummer!

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the &#8220;New Spam&#8221;. Here is a snippet of an email I sent to a friend. Not the complete picture but maybe some insight and a way to test if you are getting this new kind of spam.</p>
<p>Pay particular attention to the address field of this spam. What you find will amaze you.</p>
<p>This is I fear a major win for the Dark Side and it will take major effort to resolve.</p>
<p>Meg,</p>
<p>I notice that when I try to reply to you the spam example you sent is not returned to you. I find that if I hold the mouse down over the spam portion of the message you sent and drag it to the Desktop I get a document titled &#8220;unknown.gif&#8221;. This suggests to me that most of the file is a graphic attachment with maybe only the addressing as text. The addressing, of course, must be readable to send the message.</p>
<p>Whoever is doing this is also very clever about the addressing. It is as if they are either looking at mail I have sent to pick names or they have ripped off my address book.</p>
<p>This is going to be a tough challenge. It is not the fault of Apple Mail or any other mail program or computer platform. I don&#8217;t think it is going to be as simple as fooling with filter settings to eliminate this scourge.</p>
<p>Bummer!</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Bob. That looks interesting and explains some of the unusual spam action in my own inbox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Bob. That looks interesting and explains some of the unusual spam action in my own inbox.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Perdriau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Perdriau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this the other day on digg. It explains my recent spam problems with all email accounts. Check it out - it may explain yours as well. A sudden cure does not look good.

http://tinyurl.com/edk6x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this the other day on digg. It explains my recent spam problems with all email accounts. Check it out &#8211; it may explain yours as well. A sudden cure does not look good.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/edk6x" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/edk6x</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bjorn Svensson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjorn Svensson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may not be Mail that has changed. Just look at how Junk mails look nowadays. I think the Junk mail systems just got smarter and now produce email addresses and subject lines which are much harder to target with a generic junk mail filter (bayesian?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may not be Mail that has changed. Just look at how Junk mails look nowadays. I think the Junk mail systems just got smarter and now produce email addresses and subject lines which are much harder to target with a generic junk mail filter (bayesian?).</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Forsberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Forsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft Outlook Express for PCs will remain the choice of the world for email. I love Macs, my adult children use Macs....and have since they were in grade school, but Apple seems incapable of desiging a long term functional e-mail program that compares to the present day Outlook Express that comes standard with XP. Mail .app just doesn&#039;t perform, no matter how many chances I give it. Of all the appearance designs, I like Mail.app the best... but like my first wife, seems to have all the right equipment, makes all the right moves, but doesn&#039;t seem to work long term, no matter what I try to make it part of my life.

I just purchased a new black Intel MacBook for no other reason than to run Outlook Express for my email under XP while remaining functional on one computer under OSX. I don&#039;t know if Apple planned things this way but it will sell many MacBooks/MacBook Pros to people who demand the best and don&#039;t settle for compromise on programs we must use everyday.

Mail.apps biggest problems are the annoying quirks and its many incompatibilities in the Windows world. 

Hey Apple...take a page out of the Microsoft manual and copy their code...sometimes you can just get a better product from what already exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft Outlook Express for PCs will remain the choice of the world for email. I love Macs, my adult children use Macs&#8230;.and have since they were in grade school, but Apple seems incapable of desiging a long term functional e-mail program that compares to the present day Outlook Express that comes standard with XP. Mail .app just doesn&#8217;t perform, no matter how many chances I give it. Of all the appearance designs, I like Mail.app the best&#8230; but like my first wife, seems to have all the right equipment, makes all the right moves, but doesn&#8217;t seem to work long term, no matter what I try to make it part of my life.</p>
<p>I just purchased a new black Intel MacBook for no other reason than to run Outlook Express for my email under XP while remaining functional on one computer under OSX. I don&#8217;t know if Apple planned things this way but it will sell many MacBooks/MacBook Pros to people who demand the best and don&#8217;t settle for compromise on programs we must use everyday.</p>
<p>Mail.apps biggest problems are the annoying quirks and its many incompatibilities in the Windows world. </p>
<p>Hey Apple&#8230;take a page out of the Microsoft manual and copy their code&#8230;sometimes you can just get a better product from what already exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Flowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Flowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony,

I would suggest giving SpamSieve a try, if you are able to. It works a lot better than Mail&#039;s built in filtering. I have a license for it myself but Gmail&#039;s spam filtering is so good that I no longer use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>I would suggest giving SpamSieve a try, if you are able to. It works a lot better than Mail&#8217;s built in filtering. I have a license for it myself but Gmail&#8217;s spam filtering is so good that I no longer use it.</p>
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