Comments on: John Gruber, Mark Pilgrim, Mail.app and openness http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/ Tips and add-ons to make Apple Mail / Mail.app even better Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:42:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Hawk Wings » Blog Archive » 20061116Mail.app on Mac trumps Ubuntu hands down http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-39099 Hawk Wings » Blog Archive » 20061116Mail.app on Mac trumps Ubuntu hands down Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:03:34 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-39099 [...] Remember a few months ago there was an apparent stampede of people, headed by Mark Pilgrim, who were abandoning Macs for Ubuntu? (Although some later came back.) [...] [...] Remember a few months ago there was an apparent stampede of people, headed by Mark Pilgrim, who were abandoning Macs for Ubuntu? (Although some later came back.) [...]

]]> By: sjk http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7414 sjk Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:48:49 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7414 Rants often "entertain" me, unless they're ignorantly whiny, redundantly boring, personal attacks, etc. . . . I thought parts of the +2-year-old <a href="http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue9_4/levesque/" rel="nofollow">"Fundamental issues with open source software development"</a> article I came across the other day were an interesting counterpoint to some issues recently discussed about whether or not Apple should/shouldn't/will/won't Open Source certain OS X software. It doesn't mention anything about proprietary vs. open file formats, though. Rants often “entertain” me, unless they’re ignorantly whiny, redundantly boring, personal attacks, etc.

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I thought parts of the +2-year-old “Fundamental issues with open source software development” article I came across the other day were an interesting counterpoint to some issues recently discussed about whether or not Apple should/shouldn’t/will/won’t Open Source certain OS X software. It doesn’t mention anything about proprietary vs. open file formats, though.

]]> By: Tim http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7405 Tim Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:40:40 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7405 No worries, Boris. Hawk Wings aims to provide a complete service, including room for therapeutic sounding-off ;-) No worries, Boris.

Hawk Wings aims to provide a complete service, including room for therapeutic sounding-off ;-)

]]> By: Boris Anthony http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7387 Boris Anthony Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:54:53 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7387 oh please. Apple "gets it". Apple doesn't *want it*. Fer crissakes. Apple isn't linux, ubuntu and it sure as hell isn't Open Source. Never has been, prolly never will be. Apple wants to "control the user experience". If they gave a hoot about what we want (hell if they believed for a second we even *know what we want*), there'd be a big-ass honking "send us feedback" from on their website. /rant off hehe (Sorry Tim!) oh please.
Apple “gets it”. Apple doesn’t *want it*. Fer crissakes. Apple isn’t linux, ubuntu and it sure as hell isn’t Open Source. Never has been, prolly never will be.

Apple wants to “control the user experience”. If they gave a hoot about what we want (hell if they believed for a second we even *know what we want*), there’d be a big-ass honking “send us feedback” from on their website.

/rant off

hehe (Sorry Tim!)

]]> By: Jeff Flowers http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7042 Jeff Flowers Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:10:53 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7042 SJK, You're right. I have found references to PAM being in 10.2 but I haven't been able to find a mention of it in earlier versions. SJK,

You’re right. I have found references to PAM being in 10.2 but I haven’t been able to find a mention of it in earlier versions.

]]> By: sjk http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7035 sjk Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:13:03 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7035 <blockquote>IIRC, Apple introduced PAM with Tiger.</blockquote> Pretty sure PAM's been around since 10.2, if not even earlier. I'm too lazy to dig up old backups and check. It's definitely in 10.3.

IIRC, Apple introduced PAM with Tiger.

Pretty sure PAM’s been around since 10.2, if not even earlier. I’m too lazy to dig up old backups and check. It’s definitely in 10.3.

]]> By: sjk http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7032 sjk Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:13 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-7032 <blockquote>As Jeff pointed out above, Mark can get all his emails out of Mail in mbox format just by dragging the mailbox to the desktop.</blockquote> That doesn't work for me (Mail Version 2.0.7 (746.2/750)). What works is to select a batch of messages <i>within</i> a mailbox, then run Files > Save As... (shift-command-s), and choose Raw Message Source from the Format: menu and an output folder/filename.

As Jeff pointed out above, Mark can get all his emails out of Mail in mbox format just by dragging the mailbox to the desktop.

That doesn’t work for me (Mail Version 2.0.7 (746.2/750)). What works is to select a batch of messages within a mailbox, then run Files > Save As… (shift-command-s), and choose Raw Message Source from the Format: menu and an output folder/filename.

]]> By: Jeff Flowers http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-6996 Jeff Flowers Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:20:20 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-6996 Yeah, I think that is what got me. IIRC, Apple introduced PAM with Tiger. There must be some nice features that people like about PAM because NetBSD is using it now too. Yeah, I think that is what got me. IIRC, Apple introduced PAM with Tiger. There must be some nice features that people like about PAM because NetBSD is using it now too.

]]> By: Alan Schmitt http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-6994 Alan Schmitt Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:10:27 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-6994 If you need help, you can send me an email. My configuration file is trivial, the only tricky bit is the PAM setup, if I remember correctly. If you need help, you can send me an email. My configuration file is trivial, the only tricky bit is the PAM setup, if I remember correctly.

]]> By: Jeff Flowers http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-6989 Jeff Flowers Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:54:41 +0000 http://www.hawkwings.net/2006/06/19/john-gruber-mark-pilgrim-mailapp-and-openness/#comment-6989 Interesting post Alan. I tried to get something like this working last year but I seemed to be having problems with Dovecot allowing me to authenticate, even though it was running on the same machine I was using. Maybe I was just having problems with Pam? In any case, my plan was this: fetchmail > procmail/bogofilter > spam/ham mboxes Interesting post Alan. I tried to get something like this working last year but I seemed to be having problems with Dovecot allowing me to authenticate, even though it was running on the same machine I was using. Maybe I was just having problems with Pam?

In any case, my plan was this:

fetchmail > procmail/bogofilter > spam/ham mboxes

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