Comments on: Heavyweights body slam Mail.app

By: Hawk Wings » Blog Archive » Dotting the “i” in iCal

Hawk Wings » Blog Archive » Dotting the “i” in iCal — Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:49:59 +0000

[...] Pierre Igot at Betalogue has some of the sharpest eyes in the blogging world. He repeatedly sees flaws in interface design that I overlook. Whether it is problems with the way Mail handles the format=flowed feature or threading, he’s got it nailed. [...]

By: DWalla

DWalla — Wed, 10 May 2006 17:04:06 +0000

“Heavyweights” = really fat Mac users who complain a lot.

just kiddin’

By: Jeff Flowers

Jeff Flowers — Wed, 10 May 2006 16:35:31 +0000

That is your choice. It doesn’t make Gmail bad.

By: Paul

Paul — Wed, 10 May 2006 15:09:14 +0000

“Luckily, I use Gmail so it doesnâ€™t matter too much.”
Yes, Gmail, let’s just hand over all of our correspondence to a marketing firm. Let my personal correspondence drive the new Internet economy, ranking the keywords in my mail, selling that information to folks whom I may or may not care for.
Folks get into a huff when standard US mail gets damaged in transit, but we allow an Internet marketing firm (Google) to scan and index my correspondence. Not that emails are particularly secure in the first place.

Not only won’t I use Gmail, I won’t send any email to a Gmail account.

By: Jeff Flowers

Jeff Flowers — Wed, 10 May 2006 13:27:15 +0000

I think my main beef with Mail is that it requires Spotlight to search the body of messages. This effects me because I disable Spotlight on my Mac because I have no need for it.

Luckily, I use Gmail so it doesn’t matter too much.

By: Tim

Tim — Tue, 09 May 2006 22:14:18 +0000

@Poster: I give a rip what these guys think because the acuteness of their observations, their experience and balanced assessment earns my respect (and the respect of many others).

@Dwalla: hehehe… I don’t give up two and a half hours of every day finding stuff and post and writing it because I hate Mail.app. Quite the reverse.

It’s just how the news falls out sometimes. It is just as common to see a string of overwhelmingly positive posts on Hawk Wings. If not, I make up the positive ones myself from time to time.

As a general rule, I try to pitch the site half-way between unthinking adulation and mindless critique.

By: Rui Carmo

Rui Carmo — Tue, 09 May 2006 20:56:06 +0000

Erm… Guys? My post’s a year old now. And some of those bugs are still there…

By: Poster

Poster — Tue, 09 May 2006 20:10:33 +0000

I agree. Who are these guys and who gives a rip what they think?

By: Paul

Paul — Tue, 09 May 2006 17:18:03 +0000

Heavyhitters? Never heard of these guys before. I’ve been doing Mac support and managing e-mail servers and clients since 1990. Mail.app is OK, not great. Some of the points are valid, others, simply personal choices. Mail.app is easier to use than Outlook, Eudora, Entourage, and most other mail programs. But it does lack some of the nicer features of some these programs. IMAP support specifically seems flaky, especially with .mac accounts, and I concur with concerns about it endlessly scanning IMAP directories. Sure, I have some gripes about Mail.app, but just as many for PowerMail, Entourage, and Outlook on the PC. PowerMail needs to have direct HTML support, and it would be nice for Thunderbird to be more integrated with the MacOS (Address Book, iCal, etc.). But the beauty of it all is that, even on a Mac, you have a choice of free and paid e-mail clients.

By: John Koetsier

John Koetsier — Tue, 09 May 2006 16:26:38 +0000

I’ve actually found Apple’s Mail team to be quite responsive about fixing bugs. I found one, blogged about it, and had contacts with a couple members of the team as they were trying to pin it down.

I posted a synopsis on my blog:
http://www.sparkplug9.com/bizhack/index.php/2006/04/09/blogging-apple-listens/