Comments on: Talking Mail.app: John Gruber

By: Cervantes

Cervantes — Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:18:19 +0000

Quoting Alex: “I was a Mac user in 1980.”

Impossible.

By: Alex

Alex — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:30:37 +0000

I was a Mac user in 1980. Then moved to PCs in 1989, simply because Apple didn’t keep up with the technology. Since the new Macs are out. I thought I’d give Apple another try. Wow! Great hardware, a real OS, and great apps. Now we come to Mail.

There are no 80 character wide displays left on the planet. Why does Apple’s mail product wrap text *for me*? IBM punch cards were 80 characters wide, then CRT data displays of the same width. I don’t read my email on either.

When I reply to an email and include the text from another person, its formatted in wrapped lines, not the way the person sent it to me. Several people have complained about that I reformatted their text. No, Apple did, and feels autocratic about keeping it that way. eech.

Does someone out there really need 80 character display compatibility, on a very old CRT display that can’t wrap lines by itself?

Come on.. this means I have to move over to Thunderbird after all this work getting into the Macs for the first time in years.

By: Kim Holburn

Kim Holburn — Fri, 19 May 2006 23:10:43 +0000

I can find several basic text problems with mail. It wraps lines at 76 characters and inserts a space, even in URLs which makes the URLs very difficult for anyone not using Apple mail.app to use. And you can’t turn it off.

The standard in mail for indicating a sig at the end of an email is a line by itself with only “dash dash space”. Apple Mail.app send this OK but when it receives it it interprets it as a wrapped line and rewaraps it (sometimes).

By: Dan Ridley

Dan Ridley — Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:10:22 +0000

Why do you want control over line length? This has always struck me as an annoyance that should be abstracted away, and I can’t really find anything to complain about with regard to format=flowed.

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B-links, April 14 â€“ Le Â«blog personnelÂ» de Joe Clark — Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:35:56 +0000

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Hawk Wings: Me on Mail.app | 43 Folders — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:05:13 +0000

[...] Tim Gaden’s been doing a series on various Mac folks’ usage of Mail.app. He’s talked with folks like John Gruber, Mathowie, and Ethan Schoonover about what they like (and don’t) about OS X’s default mail application, as well as the ways they’d like to see it improve. [...]

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Talking about Mail - AndrewEscobar.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:03:23 +0000

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By: John Gruber

John Gruber — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:32:08 +0000

Mike: Format=flowed can bite me. Sorry, but I want control over my line lengths, and don’t want them wrapping at the window width. And notice that Eudora offers the option to turn format=flowed off.

Mick: I am indeed an ardent SpamSieve user, but I haven’t yet hooked it up to Mail because I have yet to receive a single spam — not a single one — with my Joyent email address.

By: clark

clark — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:55:51 +0000

Mike, no offense, but having to write pure HTML in a text editor, open it in Safari and then put it in certainly is an annoyance when someone wants to simply send an email using styles. Most people don’t know HTML. And having to use separate programs like that is a huge annoyance.

By: Terry

Terry — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:53:32 +0000

I love mail. Nice and fast and simple.